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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#144951: Jul 24th 2022 at 9:36:05 AM

At this point every new version of time travel in the MCU relies on ignoring Endgame. Even Endgame ignored Endgame when the writers claimed Steve’s trip inexplicably did change the past.

dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#144952: Jul 24th 2022 at 9:37:03 AM

[up][up] I think they meant, if Kang's faced and killed Antman before he has the advantage of experience. He knows Antman's moves whereas Antman has no idea how Kang fights or what he's capable of.

Edited by dcutter2 on Jul 24th 2022 at 5:37:20 PM

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#144953: Jul 24th 2022 at 9:38:18 AM

[up][up] Yeah, it really feels like Endgame painted itself into a corner to justify its plot. Oh, well.

[up] Oh, sure, I get that part. But logically, Kang's master plot is completely futile because there will always be infinite universes that he hasn't conquered.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
SAwatching from south africa Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#144954: Jul 24th 2022 at 9:39:52 AM

[up] Exactly, Kang would be in complete control. [up] [up] [up]Also I think it's more a case of crossing over from an alternate universe.

[up] Maybe that's his big master plan.

Edited by SAwatching on Jul 24th 2022 at 6:40:42 PM

Sincerely S Awatching.
dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#144955: Jul 24th 2022 at 9:40:15 AM

[up][up] Depends if he actually wants to conquer the multiverse if he just enjoys the fight.

Also He Who Remains had managed it when he established the sacred timeline so it can't be as infinite as all that. (though what you say makes a lot of sense logically)

Edited by dcutter2 on Jul 24th 2022 at 5:40:27 PM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#144956: Jul 24th 2022 at 9:43:40 AM

In the 2018 Exiles run Kang’s plan was to destroy all timelines except the one where he ruled so there’s likely ways for him to win.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#144957: Jul 24th 2022 at 9:48:43 AM

Kang often is a guy who doesn’t want the definitive victory

He comes back to the superhero era because he was bored of ruling an uncontested bad future

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uncertanSearcher It's always Season of the Witch from Germany Since: Oct, 2017
It's always Season of the Witch
#144958: Jul 24th 2022 at 9:49:58 AM

[up][up]From what we know I would assume they will merge that plan and the role God Emperor Doom played in Secret Wars for Kangs part in their next Avengers duology.

With The Kang Dynasty ending in a defeat for the heroes with Battleworld being formed as Kangs empire.

Edited by uncertanSearcher on Jul 24th 2022 at 6:52:54 PM

SAwatching from south africa Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#144959: Jul 24th 2022 at 9:51:32 AM

From what I understood for the time travel logic ( If by defention time travel has a logic) is that the present is unaffected by the changing of an event in the past, which itself just creates an alternate universe. Sometimes such events in the past become time loops such as Kamala and Steve (we don't know exactly when he reappeared in the past, most likely when he returned the Tesseract.)

Sincerely S Awatching.
uncertanSearcher It's always Season of the Witch from Germany Since: Oct, 2017
It's always Season of the Witch
#144960: Jul 24th 2022 at 9:59:39 AM

I kinda did assume that Steve just used the Quantium Realm technology to return from his new timeline to the sacred one to give Sam the shield.

That would have actually fit with the established rules. And from what Ive heard the writers and directors actually disagree if that or a timeloop is what happened.

Edited by uncertanSearcher on Jul 24th 2022 at 7:00:05 PM

diddyknux Straw Hat Robin (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Straw Hat Robin
#144961: Jul 24th 2022 at 10:02:56 AM

Bruce Banner isn't a time scientist. I know we trust the rules the movies gives us to be true as a function of exposition, but there's really no set-in-stone rule saying it HAS to be.

MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#144962: Jul 24th 2022 at 10:08:28 AM

Steve is not a loop. The writers explanation makes no sense.

We always dealt with alternate/diverging timelines (within the quantum reality level of time travel).

Other methods have their own rules.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#144963: Jul 24th 2022 at 10:28:35 AM

Infinity War's choice in time travel mechanics is good for (theoretically) no thought time travel. If the writers can say "every time they go back, it's just another universe" they don't have to put any thought into how it adds up (and can do stuff like - say - have the heroes fight Thanos years earlier without affecting the present).

Still I remember being surprised that they specifically chose it for a story where the protagonists went back in time, vs an individual story where someone comes from another future into the main timeline, and even more surprised that they tried to pull some "this is how time travel always works. No other form of time travel is even physically possible" exposition.

The issue is that both the form they chose and that exposition were really bad for future stories and writers. If you're now going to start having characters time travel a lot, the fact that time travelling actually has no consequences (at least, not to anyone important) whatsoever becomes a problem.

Notably (recent media spoilers), Ms. Marvel just ignores it entirely and has its time travel work completely differently.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 24th 2022 at 10:28:53 AM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#144964: Jul 24th 2022 at 10:32:56 AM

Subsequent films have also opted to ignore the Avengers time machine, as if a device that good as creates new matter, brings back the dead, and with some tweaks can give eternal youth was just packed in the attic.

MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#144965: Jul 24th 2022 at 10:38:30 AM

It's only relevant for Peter's movie and wouldn't actually solve his problem. It'd just spare the future of another Peter from being messed up.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#144966: Jul 24th 2022 at 10:56:21 AM

[up]Speaking of Peters (hard to tell if you mean Parker or Quill), Kevin Feige says Spider-Man and Daredevil will be the faces of the MCU's street level.

...Which would have me be HYPED AF, but then I realize Marvel still probably has to share Spidey with Sony for what seems to be an indefinite period of time.

diddyknux Straw Hat Robin (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Straw Hat Robin
#144967: Jul 24th 2022 at 11:06:06 AM

At least Sony doesn't have its own streaming service. (Yet). One less reason to muck things up.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#144968: Jul 24th 2022 at 11:09:38 AM

[up][up] But not Kamala Khan? Interesting. Let's hope they don't put her in the attic after The Marvels.

Edit: Oh, hang on. Secret Invasion isn't an Avengers title, it's a Disney+ suspense series. That makes a lot more sense. I was confusing it with Secret Wars, which if you think about is really kind of confusing.

Edited by Fighteer on Jul 24th 2022 at 2:24:43 PM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#144969: Jul 24th 2022 at 11:23:36 AM

Based on the Comic-Con audio from the last page, it looks like Kang's going to continue the super interesting conversations that he did in the last episode of Loki.

The legend has returned.
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#144970: Jul 24th 2022 at 11:28:00 AM

Day 4 of Marvel's SDCC livestream is now up. I have no idea what's left to reveal today.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#144971: Jul 24th 2022 at 11:33:04 AM

Somebody leaked the Quantumania trailer on Twitter, and I watched it out of dire curiosity of what MODOK looks like, but only like half the screen was visible and I couldn't really tell what was what.

That's on me for my impatience I guess.

Edited by lbssb on Jul 24th 2022 at 11:33:32 AM

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#144972: Jul 24th 2022 at 11:41:00 AM

Wait, when does Quantumania come out again? Seems pretty early for a trailer...

Also, so much for all that talk about Feige not being invested in street level heroes.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Jul 24th 2022 at 11:41:43 AM

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#144973: Jul 24th 2022 at 11:45:31 AM

[up]February. A trailer of sorts was shown at the con yesterday. I don't think it's actually a full trailer trailer yet but just something they put together as a sneak peek.

Edited by lbssb on Jul 24th 2022 at 11:46:43 AM

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#144974: Jul 24th 2022 at 12:25:08 PM

There were several "sneak peek" Comic Con exclusives yesterday. I'm probably going to avoid watching them unless they come out on first-party channels. I'm excited for the first Quantumania trailer and I think I've already said how badly I want to see more of The Marvels.

Am I allowed to have a platonic crush on Iman Vellani? The actor is 19 now, so I think it's okay. Brie Larson is a little intimidating, but she seems to have an incredibly generous spirit. I just want that more than anything right now.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#144975: Jul 24th 2022 at 12:27:48 PM

...why are you bringing up a teenager's age

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jul 24th 2022 at 12:28:37 PM


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