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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
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Huh? I never said the comics "don't matter"; I said that people should not be upset when the stories aren't adapted in the way that they prefer, and that applies just as much to this conversation as it has to our other ones. The comics can and should inspire what we see on screen because that helps build a sense of familiarity for audiences, but they should not be treated as Holy Writ.
Anyway, let's go down a partial list of civil and military authorities that the MCU gets involved up to Civil War:
- In The Incredible Hulk (2008), General Ross hunts the Hulk, cheerfully escalating the situation as if unaware that shooting him only makes him angrier.
- In Iron Man 1, Stark has to deal with the US military, who aren't happy that he's stealing their thunder by being effective at killing terrorists.
- In Thor, SHIELD is stalking the titular god and staking out Mjolnir.
- In Captain America: The First Avenger, SHIELD literally unfreezes Steve and recruits him into the Avenger Initiative. Also, he's originally created in a military experiment, so "civil authority" is all over that one.
- In The Avengers (2012), SHIELD serves as both the organizing structure for the team and an antagonist when Loki starts taking it over, and then the US military fires a nuclear missile at New York.
- In Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Steve has to defy SHIELD (and learn its dark secret about being corrupted by HYDRA) in order to save his friend.
I'm only scratching the surface here. If your orthodoxy says that the MCU shouldn't touch on how the actions of superheroes are handled by governments because all we want is an uncomplicated, escapist fantasy, it failed right out of the gate.
Edited by Fighteer on Jul 23rd 2022 at 6:04:20 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"On a fun note, here's some lines from the Avengers comics they should have someone say
"In the last days of life, before a season of death... we were Avengers."
"Goddess, oh goddess. Save me from what this world demands. Save me from righteous men. Save me from thinkers. Save me from summoners. Save me from Midnight Kings... And the devil himself. Oh goddess, save me... Save me from what we are about to do."
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."![]()
That's splitting semantical hair. The point is they didn't have to do Civil War just because the comics did.
edit: what fucking orthodoxy? What the fuck are you talking about? I expressed an opinion. And it wasn't 'the government should never be involved in superheroics' either.
Edited by dcutter2 on Jul 23rd 2022 at 11:07:30 AM
And yet they did exactly that. So, I guess you have applied Fanon Discontinuity to everything from Civil War onward. The version of the MCU that exists in your head must be so much better than the one we got.
The Civil War thing kinda bothers me in how I stand on it.
On the one hand, I do agree that realistically, superheroes should indeed have some laws and rules to make sure it doesn't get dangerous or out of control if they existed. Just as I am for gun control.
On the other hand.... I honestly don't like superhero stories where hero is turned into just another job, you have to get a license, go to an academy, and get paid for it with all that... I don't know why but these stories always feel like they take away the charm. I much prefer when superheroes are people who're doing it because it's the right thing to do.
Y'know, I was talking with a friend of mine on if a TVA Law & Order styled-spinoff would work, where you have random Minutemen and Agents arresting time criminals, and then they explain themselves to the judge.
"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."So, Marvel Studios artist Andy Park just revealed the teaser poster
to Ant-Man: Quantumania
Still don't understand why he was a Fox character when he's mainly an Avengers villain.
Yeah, I know he technically first appeared in Fantastic Four, but by that logic Fox should've had Black Panther and the Inhumans so I have no idea how that worked.
Also by that logic Sony should've gotten the Punisher.
Edited by lbssb on Jul 23rd 2022 at 5:05:14 AM
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Marvel was allowed to use Magneto's kids so long as they didn't reference Magneto, so I don't know if that would've been a factor.
Hey
That’s a good poster!
It looks like it could be a comic cover instead of the typical tower of heads movie poster!
Forever liveblogging the Avengers

As someone who lives on the Eastern timezone, I give you my thanks for not neglecting it.
We got an hour and 30 minutes left, it looks like. I think, for the best experience, we should have absolutely no expectations whatsoever. I know social media is kvetching about Deadpool 3 and whatever, but the fact is we really don't know what they'll drop in Hall H, because for all we know, they might save the really meaty reveals for the D23 thing happening much later.
TL;DR: Pump the expectation breaks, ladies and gentlemen.
Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Jul 23rd 2022 at 6:03:30 AM