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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#144801: Jul 23rd 2022 at 3:00:13 PM

As someone who lives on the Eastern timezone, I give you my thanks for not neglecting it.

We got an hour and 30 minutes left, it looks like. I think, for the best experience, we should have absolutely no expectations whatsoever. I know social media is kvetching about Deadpool 3 and whatever, but the fact is we really don't know what they'll drop in Hall H, because for all we know, they might save the really meaty reveals for the D23 thing happening much later.

TL;DR: Pump the expectation breaks, ladies and gentlemen.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Jul 23rd 2022 at 6:03:30 AM

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#144802: Jul 23rd 2022 at 3:03:05 PM

[up][up]Huh? I never said the comics "don't matter"; I said that people should not be upset when the stories aren't adapted in the way that they prefer, and that applies just as much to this conversation as it has to our other ones. The comics can and should inspire what we see on screen because that helps build a sense of familiarity for audiences, but they should not be treated as Holy Writ.

Anyway, let's go down a partial list of civil and military authorities that the MCU gets involved up to Civil War:

  • In The Incredible Hulk (2008), General Ross hunts the Hulk, cheerfully escalating the situation as if unaware that shooting him only makes him angrier.
  • In Iron Man 1, Stark has to deal with the US military, who aren't happy that he's stealing their thunder by being effective at killing terrorists.
  • In Thor, SHIELD is stalking the titular god and staking out Mjolnir.
  • In Captain America: The First Avenger, SHIELD literally unfreezes Steve and recruits him into the Avenger Initiative. Also, he's originally created in a military experiment, so "civil authority" is all over that one.
  • In The Avengers (2012), SHIELD serves as both the organizing structure for the team and an antagonist when Loki starts taking it over, and then the US military fires a nuclear missile at New York.
  • In Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Steve has to defy SHIELD (and learn its dark secret about being corrupted by HYDRA) in order to save his friend.

I'm only scratching the surface here. If your orthodoxy says that the MCU shouldn't touch on how the actions of superheroes are handled by governments because all we want is an uncomplicated, escapist fantasy, it failed right out of the gate.

Edited by Fighteer on Jul 23rd 2022 at 6:04:20 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#144803: Jul 23rd 2022 at 3:05:31 PM

On a fun note, here's some lines from the Avengers comics they should have someone say

"In the last days of life, before a season of death... we were Avengers."

"Goddess, oh goddess. Save me from what this world demands. Save me from righteous men. Save me from thinkers. Save me from summoners. Save me from Midnight Kings... And the devil himself. Oh goddess, save me... Save me from what we are about to do."

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#144804: Jul 23rd 2022 at 3:05:34 PM

[up][up] That's splitting semantical hair. The point is they didn't have to do Civil War just because the comics did.

edit: what fucking orthodoxy? What the fuck are you talking about? I expressed an opinion. And it wasn't 'the government should never be involved in superheroics' either.

Edited by dcutter2 on Jul 23rd 2022 at 11:07:30 AM

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#144805: Jul 23rd 2022 at 3:07:23 PM

[up] And yet they did exactly that. So, I guess you have applied Fanon Discontinuity to everything from Civil War onward. The version of the MCU that exists in your head must be so much better than the one we got.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#144806: Jul 23rd 2022 at 3:07:51 PM

The Civil War thing kinda bothers me in how I stand on it.

On the one hand, I do agree that realistically, superheroes should indeed have some laws and rules to make sure it doesn't get dangerous or out of control if they existed. Just as I am for gun control.

On the other hand.... I honestly don't like superhero stories where hero is turned into just another job, you have to get a license, go to an academy, and get paid for it with all that... I don't know why but these stories always feel like they take away the charm. I much prefer when superheroes are people who're doing it because it's the right thing to do.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#144807: Jul 23rd 2022 at 3:08:24 PM

Generally, audiences don't pay for tickets to a superhero movie to sit through two and a half hours of Law and Order: Enhanced Individuals Unit.

Y'know, I was talking with a friend of mine on if a TVA Law & Order styled-spinoff would work, where you have random Minutemen and Agents arresting time criminals, and then they explain themselves to the judge.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#144808: Jul 23rd 2022 at 3:08:28 PM

[up][up][up] What are you talking about?

Of course they actually did do it? I never denied they actually did it. What do you think my point is?

Edited by dcutter2 on Jul 23rd 2022 at 11:09:11 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#144809: Jul 23rd 2022 at 3:27:33 PM

Oh man imagine if this is the first line Reed Richard's says when he's finally introduced

"Everything dies. You, me. Everyone on this planet. Our sun. Our galaxy. And, eventually, the universe itself. This is simply how things are. It's inevitable. And I accept it."

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Avenger09 Since: May, 2014
#144810: Jul 23rd 2022 at 3:32:00 PM

So Mr Fantastic is played by Jade?

Edited by Avenger09 on Jul 23rd 2022 at 11:32:57 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#144811: Jul 23rd 2022 at 4:17:57 PM

[up][up] I guess you really like the Time Runs Out arc

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#144812: Jul 23rd 2022 at 4:29:11 PM

Well I like Hickman's saga generally downs aside.

Could lead to some good stuff with the proper buildup.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#144813: Jul 23rd 2022 at 4:48:55 PM

Whoops, looks like Marvel Studios' Hall H panel is at 8PM EST tonight, not 7:30PM EST.

So that's why there's radio silence.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Jul 23rd 2022 at 7:49:15 AM

XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#144814: Jul 23rd 2022 at 4:54:59 PM

So, Marvel Studios artist Andy Park just revealed the teaser poster to Ant-Man: Quantumania https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/fyysn3jvqaeecyg.jpeg

Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#144815: Jul 23rd 2022 at 4:55:23 PM

Oh shit, is that Cassie in the purple?

Hawkeye86 Spirit of Battle from Classified (Searching for Spock) Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
Spirit of Battle
#144816: Jul 23rd 2022 at 4:55:28 PM

Awesome!

Edit: I see Cassie is going with the "casual sneaker" look in her super-hero suit.

Edited by Hawkeye86 on Jul 23rd 2022 at 7:56:22 AM

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#144817: Jul 23rd 2022 at 4:56:31 PM

Very amusing how wearing Converse is shorthand for a teen hero now. [lol]

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#144818: Jul 23rd 2022 at 4:59:22 PM

They must be getting really good at Particle-proofing clothes.

Wake me up at your own risk.
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#144819: Jul 23rd 2022 at 5:02:03 PM

Still surreal that we're getting Kang the Freaking Conqueror after Fox had been sitting on him for years... surprised

dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#144820: Jul 23rd 2022 at 5:04:06 PM

[up] whose cast herd was he with? The FF? I thought he was an Avengers vilain?

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#144821: Jul 23rd 2022 at 5:04:22 PM

Still don't understand why he was a Fox character when he's mainly an Avengers villain.

Yeah, I know he technically first appeared in Fantastic Four, but by that logic Fox should've had Black Panther and the Inhumans so I have no idea how that worked.

Also by that logic Sony should've gotten the Punisher.

Edited by lbssb on Jul 23rd 2022 at 5:05:14 AM

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uncertanSearcher It's always Season of the Witch from Germany Since: Oct, 2017
It's always Season of the Witch
#144822: Jul 23rd 2022 at 5:05:07 PM

I guess because he is an decendend of Reed Richards. Even though thats not really that big a part of his character.

Edited by uncertanSearcher on Jul 23rd 2022 at 2:06:00 PM

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#144823: Jul 23rd 2022 at 5:06:05 PM

[up]Marvel was allowed to use Magneto's kids so long as they didn't reference Magneto, so I don't know if that would've been a factor.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#144824: Jul 23rd 2022 at 5:09:44 PM

Hey

That’s a good poster!

It looks like it could be a comic cover instead of the typical tower of heads movie poster!

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#144825: Jul 23rd 2022 at 5:14:44 PM

First update:

From the mouth of Kevin Feige himself, after Wakanda Forever releases, Phase 4 will officially be done.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Jul 23rd 2022 at 8:15:44 AM


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