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I'm getting a bit tired to tell you that this isn't about comic book accuracy.
But to answer you, no, they don't steal each other's theme. The Inhumans were shoved into the role of Mutants during the Inhumania, but they did have their own niche before that; Namely, their story was one about a royal family of a strange superpowered secret nation with political conflicts and backstabbing. Basically Games of Thrones with superpowers. Like it or not, i think we can agree that's a very different theme than X-Men.
Edited by Theokal3 on Jul 22nd 2022 at 1:05:04 PM
Though I admit, I'm not totally sure what the Inhuman's thing was before Executive Meddling tried to make them into diet X-Men.
In fairness, the idea of the Kree running around messing with everyone's DNA in secret could make a fairly compelling origin story for a new crop of supers if handled well, although I can see why it might overlap a bit with the X-Men. "Any random person could develop superpowers if they get hit with this weird mist." "Any random person could develop superpowers when they reach puberty or have a traumatic experience."
As stretches go, you don't really need Reed Richards to see the similarity.
Not uhhhh really the point here.
Then what is the point here? All over the Internet there is this swirling miasma (dare I say "mist") of generalized nerd anxiety that the Inhumans aren't going to be showing up in the MCU. It congealed into a massive online hate boner for Ms. Marvel, although I acknowledge there are other aspects to that as well, and now it seems to be generating bursts of anxiety over the decision to adapt the X-Men instead (or at least mutants in general).
I'm getting a bit tired to tell you that this isn't about comic book accuracy.
But it feels like it is to me, because I don't see any obvious reason to prefer Inhumans over Mutants (or vice versa) except loyalty to a previous iteration of them that is obviously not going to be MCU canon.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"I didn't mind the art style but the writing was so... bleh.
Like, when I say "fanficcy" I'm not talking about the fact that it's what-if scenarios. That's fine, it's the whole premise of the show, after all.
When I say "fanficcy" I mean the plots and dialogue feel like they were written by 14-year-olds with no editors, no sense of character voice/behavior, and absolutely no sense of pacing. Everything is just "Wouldn't it be cool if X happened instead of Y?" and then failing to actually justify it or make it interesting.
Like, do you really expect me to believe that T'challa is just so charismatic he was able to recruit Thanos to his side? Or that Doctor Strange, a man whose films depict him as willing to make hard decisions and sacrifice the lives of others if it's for the greater good, would literally destroy the universe just to save one person he can't let go of? Or that Vision would betray everybody to feed zombie Wanda yet then immediately revert allegiance after maybe two seconds of reconsideration?
I guess the more cartoonish elements are because, well, it's a cartoon, but that's not really an excuse when it's supposed to be a canon part of the MCU. Even Iron Fist S1 is better written than What If?.
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!It is an attempt at a Stealth Pun on Terrigen Mist. YMMV.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Maybe stop tilting at windmills and whatever nebulous stuff you see on the internet at large and actually engage with what people actually said in the thread?
Eta: to whit some pretty mild specilation if another minor inhuman would be a mutant without putting any particular value judgement on whether that would be a good thing or not.
Edited by dcutter2 on Jul 22nd 2022 at 12:16:39 PM
I feel like coming at this debate about mutants and Inhumans (or any debate about comic book film adaptions) with a perspective of "I think the source material is completely worthless" is a non-starter, Fighteer. You have made pretty clear that you don't know the source material(which is not a problem) and seems to actively disdain its existence or even people talking about it (which sort of is, when the topic is adaptating it).
It generates a sort of awkward scenario where people just discussing elements kept or dropped gets met with the same refrain: "No one cares about your stupid comics, shut up", just put in a nicer way. It's a non-starter.
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Well, then give me a reason why I should care. I'm a fan of this stuff too.
Edited by Fighteer on Jul 22nd 2022 at 7:17:43 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"In addition, Thanos's plan isn't just evil, it's evil and stupid. T'Challa, meanwhile, is a very smart person.
So the idea that Thanos could be thwarted by having someone sit down and explain Economics 101 to him had been kicked around in the fandom for a while when that episode aired, and T'Challa is just such a person to do so. Notably, Thanos didn't abandon his goals; He just became less stupid about it.
T'Challa's Ravagers are Robin Hood types. They steal from the rich and give to the poor. In other words, they forcibly redistribute hoarded resources to the needy. Remind me, what was Thanos's major qualm around which his whole motives revolved?
Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 22nd 2022 at 4:22:42 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.If you don't care about the comics aspect that's fine, just leave the people who do want to talk about it alone.
Mate, it doesn't work that way. You don't get to have your little private debates about the comics and shut everyone else out because they don't "get it". Or maybe you can start a thread for "Marvel Cinematic Universe (Comic Fans Only)".
Edited by Fighteer on Jul 22nd 2022 at 7:23:30 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"I didn't like Star Lord T'Challa but it was obviously a tongue in cheek Parody Sue thing not a serious 'this is a plausible AU' thing.
Obviously ymmv on whether that's good or not.
But it feels like it is to me, because I don't see any obvious reason to prefer Inhumans over Mutants (or vice versa) except loyalty to a previous iteration of them that is obviously not going to be MCU canon.
It's not preferring Mutants or Inhumans. We're just expressing irritation that Marvel went overboard in the other direction. Ideally we'd prefer both franchises to be treated fairly. Also Inhumans already showed up in the MCU. Even if we don't count Agents of SHIELD and the dreadful Inhuman show, Black Bolt was in Dr Strange 2.
Then what is the point here? All over the Internet there is this swirling miasma (dare I say "mist") of generalized nerd anxiety that the Inhumans aren't going to be showing up in the MCU. It congealed into a massive online hate boner for Ms. Marvel, although I acknowledge there are other aspects to that as well, and now it seems to be generating bursts of anxiety over the decision to adapt the X-Men instead (or at least mutants in general).
Snort Trust me, of all the reasons people have to hate Ms Marvel not including her Inhuman origin is NOT the source. It's an excuse at best. In my opinion that hate boner exists because there is a huge bunch of assholes on the Internet who were getting ready to hate the show ahead of time by virtue of it being "woke" or some bullshit like that. I'd recommand paying these people no mind.
Bizarrely Star Lord T'Challa is prolly the best the character has been written the last several years
Cause currently the comics are treating him like he's basically Hitler where everything he does leads to rape camps or intergalactic slave empires being created from his own incompetence
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Even if we don't count Agents of SHIELD and the dreadful Inhuman show, Black Bolt was in Dr Strange 2.
And so was Professor X, very deliberately set up to be non-canon to the 616 MCU. As has been clearly established, that doesn't count, although I admit that the tease must have seemed fairly cruel to Inhumans fans.
And you don't get to shut down any comics related discussion just because you don't like it.
Again, that's not how it works. Nobody is saying to shut down comics related discussion, we are saying to make some room for the people who want to talk about the MCU for itself, not for its relationship to other things. We do have an entire comics subforum. You aren't being censored.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

I think What If? is the worst Disney+ MCU show by a wide margin, so it getting a second and even a third season isn't very exciting to me.
Hopefully they get better writers, at least.
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!