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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#141176: Apr 4th 2022 at 8:13:32 PM

Quick question: I’ve seen the “Dr. Doom is the second best magic user” statement a few times on the internet. Does that come from anywhere?

My first thought was Triumph and Torment but that story notes that in terms of raw magic ability he was worse than many of the contestants there despite coming in second place, he just used his tech to bridge the gap.

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#141177: Apr 4th 2022 at 8:17:13 PM

He's outclassed by Doctor Strange because he's the sorcerer supreme, something that Dr. Doom could actually be if it wasn't for Strange.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Apr 4th 2022 at 11:17:35 AM

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#141178: Apr 4th 2022 at 8:18:52 PM

I definitely want to see Doom play a role in at least one big magical scenario - if it's not a bout with Mephisto, he could always have a Big Damn Villains moment with something like Umar, Set, Chthon, or Zom when all hope seems lost and then Doom comes in to help save the day, or if Cancerverse ever becomes a thing, Doom could help out there because a). he doesn't want the MCU to become a disgusting deathless eldritch horror any more than anyone else does and b). he knows full well that the power of the Many-Angled Ones is something he does not want to take for himself under any circumstances.

Edited by HasturHasturHastur on Apr 4th 2022 at 8:19:24 AM

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#141179: Apr 5th 2022 at 5:10:44 AM

In the recent comics Clea succeeds Strange in the Sorcerer Supreme Title, Doom actually comes to the Sanctum to try and force her to give it to him since he's the next best/most powerful magic user. It doesn't go well for Doom, evidently Strange figured that Doom would try to grab the title if he ever passed and made sure it didn't go to him.

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#141180: Apr 5th 2022 at 7:15:17 AM

Doom could also have studied in the same library as Strange in the MCU.

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#141181: Apr 5th 2022 at 7:48:38 AM

Nah, Doom should be taught through his ancestral traditions as in the comics, and his magic should be rooted in the same laws that Strange has to follow, but be applied very differently. As for his armor, it should be kept it like it is in the comics (of his own conception and design, but unintentionally very similar to Tony's suits). If Doom ever throws down with Rhodey or someone else in one of Tony's suits, I can see them both being able to predict and anticipate the other's moves with ease, and then one of them (probably Rhodey) asking if he got the idea from Tony, and Doom predictably being offended and boasting that no, this was all him, he has no idea how Tony did things and wouldn't have cared anyways, only for a discussion on the technical aspects to ensue anyways and for the two of them to realize that both suits are shockingly similar.

Edited by HasturHasturHastur on Apr 5th 2022 at 7:49:01 AM

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#141182: Apr 5th 2022 at 7:49:51 AM

Yeah Doom has Romanian heritage, and that would be very interesting to see on the big screen.

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#141183: Apr 5th 2022 at 7:55:50 AM

Doom being of Romani descent should not be ignored - having Latveria be something of a sanctuary for Roma and Doom being genuinely concerned for their welfare should be one of his good traits.

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#141184: Apr 5th 2022 at 8:16:29 AM

A movie pitting Strange, Doom, and Mordo against each other could be interesting.

  • Mordo: Magic must be taken away from people because they can't be trusted with it. There are rules that you must follow, and you people always bend those rules to your own interests.
  • Strange: Rules exist to serve people. People don't exist to serve rules.
  • Doom: I wholeheartedly agree! Magic should be bent to our whims! We do not kneel at its altar.
  • Strange: Your approval fills me with shame.
  • Mordo: You see! This is the attitude you cultivate with your reckless ways.
  • Strange: Oh, for fuck's sake.

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#141185: Apr 5th 2022 at 8:17:18 AM

One idea I've seen thrown around to fast-track Doom becoming a dictator is for Latveria to be a renamed Sokovia. He took over in the wake of its destruction and reverse-engineered his Doombots from the scrapped Ultron drones.

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#141186: Apr 5th 2022 at 8:18:26 AM

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#141187: Apr 5th 2022 at 8:23:21 AM

I could see Latveria company rather then a seperate country for Doom to rule over honestly,something to rival Stark industries

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#141188: Apr 5th 2022 at 8:45:53 AM

[up][up] that’s a bonus for me personally

Heck, people have been wondering what could get Zemo to join the Thunderbolts or whatever similar concept is being built to and an armor man taking over his broken country might do it

Edited by Bocaj on Apr 5th 2022 at 11:47:07 AM

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#141189: Apr 5th 2022 at 9:36:34 AM

Secret Wars is coming up right? And Doom was a major part in both Secret Wars (1984) and Secret Wars (2015).

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#141190: Apr 5th 2022 at 9:50:46 AM

Wait, so there's a Secret Invasion and a Secret War? And more than one Secret War to boot?

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#141191: Apr 5th 2022 at 9:59:39 AM

Oh, no.

Secret War is a different thing from the two Secret Warses.

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#141192: Apr 5th 2022 at 10:00:46 AM

I've always been confused by that, can someone explain the difference between Secret Invasion, Secret War, and Secret Wars?

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#141193: Apr 5th 2022 at 10:02:28 AM

Also the Secret Warriors, and the Secret Avengers.

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#141194: Apr 5th 2022 at 10:05:05 AM

Secret Invasion was a blatant assault by the Skrulls trying to take earth for religious reasons

Secret War was Nick Fury trying to overthrow Latveria secretly with his Secret Warriors who were superpowered undercover operatives

Secret Wars usually involve at least one Beyonder

Secret Avengers were a team of Avengers who did secret missions and proactive stuff. They weren’t very good at it

Secret Empire was a conspiracy by Nixon to take over the world with a mutant powered UFO

Marvel really likes the word secret. It focus groups well.

Edited by Bocaj on Apr 5th 2022 at 1:07:22 PM

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#141195: Apr 5th 2022 at 10:09:16 AM

Can you go into more detail, and not deliberately word it in such a way that leaves me more confused than before you started talking?

Like I get it, it's fun to mess with people by leaving things vague and bizarre-sounding, but I'm genuinely asking here.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Apr 5th 2022 at 10:09:55 AM

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#141196: Apr 5th 2022 at 10:10:04 AM

Eh, that’s actually a pretty decent summary.

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#141197: Apr 5th 2022 at 10:11:04 AM

So Secret for Marvel is Crisis to DC.

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#141198: Apr 5th 2022 at 10:12:06 AM

[up][up]This:

Secret Wars usually involve at least one Beyonder

Does not tell me a single thing about what "Secret Wars" is about. Not the least of which being what a Beyonder is.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Apr 5th 2022 at 10:12:24 AM

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#141199: Apr 5th 2022 at 10:13:29 AM

Secret Empire is also the event that stemmed from the infamous moment where Captain America said "Hail Hydra". It was essentially Hydra Cap taking over HYDRA from Skull and proceeding to take over America and turn it into a fascist state. In case you're wondering, Hydra Cap wasn't the real one due to Cosmic Cube wackiness.

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#141200: Apr 5th 2022 at 10:14:28 AM

The Beyonder is a godlike being from beyond the multiverse who gathered a bunch of heroes and villains and made them fight each other for shits and giggles.

Also, something something there’s an entire race of them who started to destroy the multiverse by throwing universes at each other. Didn’t really pay attention to the 2015 Secret Wars.


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