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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#141151: Apr 4th 2022 at 4:35:41 PM

He’s a gross bug man with a million babies and some of the babies are him. It’s not a far jump

Edited by Bocaj on Apr 4th 2022 at 7:36:00 AM

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HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#141152: Apr 4th 2022 at 4:38:38 PM

All-devouring Horde of Alien Locusts with him as an inscrutable, unknowable leader with horrific reality-warping powers who refuses to communicate because, well, why on earth would you talk to your food? Sort of like a gender-flipped Xenomorph queen meets the Chimera Ants who can make reality shit the bed.

Edited by HasturHasturHastur on Apr 4th 2022 at 4:39:09 AM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#141153: Apr 4th 2022 at 4:52:27 PM

Savage Land I think can work pretty cool, but Marvel would need to embrace the whole Sword and Sorcery ish vibe in a way they haven't up to this point. The Fantastic Four basically having a movie version of those star trek episodes they visit a weird, apparently-backwater-but-surprisingly-elaborate world would probably be one of the smoothest ways to introduce it.

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HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#141154: Apr 4th 2022 at 4:54:45 PM

[up]I guess, maybe with Ka-Zar being their guide and Zaladane and Garokk being the villains.

FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#141155: Apr 4th 2022 at 4:57:06 PM

Not gonna lie I'd prefer if Squirrel Girl didn't become a thing in the MCU. Joke characters kind of just delegitimize the whole thing for me, it's just a big reminder that none of it's real or matters. Deadpool has the same problem in any accurate portrayal.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#141156: Apr 4th 2022 at 5:01:10 PM

Yeah, something like that.

Mind you, the F4 have better locales to go right off the bat (Negative Zone, Atlantis and Hollow Earth shenanigans have a much deeper history with them), but the Savage Land is there if anyone feels like doing big dinosaurs and "science heroes stuck in backwater place" stories.

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HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#141157: Apr 4th 2022 at 5:05:29 PM

Another F4 villain who I'd like to see get an eldritch-y makeover is Diablo. An ancient alchemist who gained untold and potentially apocalyptic levels of power (full control of elements and matter, perhaps giving him traits of Molecule Man) who was sealed away by long-gone heroes, but whose followers have conspired and arranged for his return over many centuries so that he can reclaim the world as his own would be a good way to do it. Yeah, I know, it's basically Father with some shades of Nix from Lord of Illusions, but he'd be a more obscure choice, and could also give Doom an opportunity to swoop in to save the day just so he can jack his shit.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#141158: Apr 4th 2022 at 5:09:15 PM

I think the first villain they should start with in Fantastic Four is the Mole Man. Not only would it be a good nod to the comics, but it would make for good theming: if every Fantastic Four film has them in a new and fantastical locale, have the first location be somewhere close to home: on Earth, under everyone's feet where a massive subterranean expanse awaits unbeknownst to the world. Heck, you could have the first movie be a globetrotting film with a variety of amazing terran places: Atlantis, the Savage Land, etc.

Then escalate, to bigger and more amazing journeys until at the end they're fighting Annihilus in the Negative Zone.

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#141159: Apr 4th 2022 at 5:09:50 PM

I was think Diablio,he sounds like a cool enough villain

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#141160: Apr 4th 2022 at 5:15:23 PM

They're a threat, and an easy way to showcase the ripple effect of Reed's arrogant recklessness and for Doom to steal the show and do Doom things

You can use any number of actually Fantastic Four villains. And wouldn't Doom be the reckless and arrogant one?

HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#141161: Apr 4th 2022 at 5:18:14 PM

Ka-Zar and Shanna should definitely get their own TV series if the Savage Land becomes a thing, and Sauron and the rest of the mutates could instead be magic-based and Zaladane's doing, with her portrayal being more of a tyrannical mage god-queen here.

[up]Doom would just see them as idiots trying to emulate Reed's reckless and idiotic stunt that infuriatingly worked out better than anyone could have ever imagined, but also as idiots who just so happened to get some ridiculously dangerous powers that they're squandering because they're too dumb to use them right, so Doom naturally figures that great power is wasted on the stupid and sees a golden opportunity to get a massive boost. Doom being everything he criticizes Reed for being would be a major trait - he is completely right (which leads Reed to try and improve as a person), but he can't see those same flaws in himself.

Edited by HasturHasturHastur on Apr 4th 2022 at 5:23:16 AM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#141162: Apr 4th 2022 at 5:20:52 PM

If Doctor Doom is going to become a big player on the board, I really, really hope that somebody provides a Lampshade Hanging regarding his name. I know that everyone has had their own share of Unfortunate Names in the past, but I still think it's pretty weird how both previous cinematic incarnations of the character have Doom as their legal last name, and nobody bats an eye at how strange and/or foreboding that is.

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#141163: Apr 4th 2022 at 5:22:45 PM

Then escalate, to bigger and more amazing journeys until at the end they're fighting Annihilus in the Negative Zone.

Speaking of the Negative Zone, Blastaar could work as a precursor to Annihilus.

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#141164: Apr 4th 2022 at 6:59:40 PM

I expect their first movie to be something outer-space cosmic. Marvel's going to want to be able to marry their first destination to the origin of their powers for the sake of storytelling convenience.

They might do something like having the Fantastic Four lead the Earth's first attempt at making contact with the rest of galactic civilization, now that we all know that we aren't alone in the universe. Maybe sending them to meet the Kree or something. And then, along the way, they get lost or discover something unexpected or something. And pick up their powers from Weird Space Shit along the way.

Maybe they'll meet the Silver Surfer. Who knows?

Edited by TobiasDrake on Apr 4th 2022 at 7:00:07 AM

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#141165: Apr 4th 2022 at 7:08:29 PM

[up]x4 Peter: What's your name, Doc? Doom: Victor Von Doom. Peter: *Snickers*

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#141166: Apr 4th 2022 at 7:15:41 PM

There was that one time that Fant4stic tried to change his name to “Domashev” but fans hated that upon hearing it so the movie changed it back to Doom.

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#141167: Apr 4th 2022 at 7:17:03 PM

Ultimate Fantastic Four changed his name to Victor Van Damme.

A lot of people think it's silly that his name is literally "Victor von Doom" but. No? It's not? He's called Dr. Doom because his name is Doom and he has a PHD.

What's silly is someone who is not named that, choosing of his own volition to be called Doctor Doom on purpose.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Apr 4th 2022 at 7:17:27 AM

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Funny but not helpful
#141168: Apr 4th 2022 at 7:22:30 PM

Its an honorary PhD but it exists!

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#141169: Apr 4th 2022 at 7:27:57 PM

While he has the knowledge for it, the fact that he gave himself a Ph D. is pretty hilarious. Surprising they don't call him a phony Doctor more often or something.

Edited by Blueace on Apr 4th 2022 at 10:39:18 AM

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#141170: Apr 4th 2022 at 7:28:57 PM

[up][up][up] It wouldn't surprise me if like he starts off as Van Damme, has "Von Doom" as an Embarrassing Nickname, but then decides to roll with it in a Then Let Me Be Evil sorta way.

Though we already have Dr. Strange so it's not like it'd be too weird.

[up][up] He has a PhD in Science. All of them. Every science. Oh and also magic, the best science.

Edited by Watchtower on Apr 4th 2022 at 10:29:36 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#141171: Apr 4th 2022 at 7:36:18 PM

Dr. Doom runs on pure comic book cheese.

Every boast he makes, he can back up.

Except being better than Richards or Strange.

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HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#141172: Apr 4th 2022 at 7:47:10 PM

He's still the second-smartest man on Earth and is a powerful and skilled enough mage to easily be Sorcerer Supreme, but Doom's just mad that he's not number one.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#141173: Apr 4th 2022 at 7:51:56 PM

The second smartest man on earth, the second most powerful sorcerer, has armour that's on par with or better than any of Tony Stark's armour, and runs his own nation like T'Chala.

Doom's got a lot going for him. Like, it's no wonder he can take on the FF on his own, when he's worth at least three other heroes.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#141174: Apr 4th 2022 at 8:03:55 PM

That's why he's been pretty effective as a bad guy to those characters.

Sure he's got the most personal enmity with Richards but he's down to have a battle of wits with Stark or T'Challa, or Strange, or even Captain America.

There's a lot you can do with Doom. Plus his costume is pretty cool.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#141175: Apr 4th 2022 at 8:08:24 PM

And to steal my post from another thread: Doom is to heroes what Spider-Man is to villains.

The one who can fight pretty much anybody.

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