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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#141051: Apr 2nd 2022 at 4:22:20 PM

Yeah, if they're going to do the old Xavier vs. Magneto ideological clash, it should be approached more deeply. Xavier is advocating for peaceful acceptance because, at the end of the day, he has been surrounded by privilege his entire life and has never really known true hardship, while Max survived a genocide and many other violent encounters with unrepentant and unyielding bigots who wanted him and his kind wiped off the face of the earth, and has his "fuck 'em if they don't like us, we'll defend our right to be here by any means necessary" approach because he knows that not everyone can be reasoned with and sometimes will only understand violence.

FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#141052: Apr 2nd 2022 at 5:06:55 PM

Edit: Wrong thread

Edited by FGHIK on Apr 2nd 2022 at 7:07:36 AM

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#141053: Apr 2nd 2022 at 6:07:26 PM

Or have Magneto snap Xavier's broken freaking neck. :V

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#141054: Apr 2nd 2022 at 6:23:13 PM

Jobbing ain’t a great use for a crossover character
Plus there's no real reason for Carol to be in it.

As for the first MCU Fantastic Four film, I kinda want to see the U-Foes transplanted to their rogues gallery

The F4 have plenty of their own villains to pick from, this would be unnecessary.

Plus people seem tired of villains who are just evil versions of the heroes.

Edited by Cortez on Apr 2nd 2022 at 9:26:18 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#141055: Apr 2nd 2022 at 6:27:03 PM

Well there is always that super strong character who constantly jobs. tongue

Usually it's Thor but Carol sorta has the inverse in that she tends to not appear in events. Recently in Devil's Reign she's conveniently off planet.

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HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#141056: Apr 2nd 2022 at 6:28:45 PM

[up][up]Carol deals with the Shi'ar fairly often in the comics and Deathbird is a major enemy of hers, and she'd be the most likely to show up to save the day (probably thinking it's Deathbird or D'ken yet again) first when Vulcan decides to go buck wild. Also, Carol has a ridiculously good fight record and Vulcan is out of basically everyone's league save for maybe Wanda, and that's a HUGE maybe.

Edited by HasturHasturHastur on Apr 2nd 2022 at 6:30:05 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#141057: Apr 2nd 2022 at 6:31:51 PM

He’s an energy manipulator and she absorbs energy

That seems like it would devolve into stalemate

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HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#141058: Apr 2nd 2022 at 6:33:04 PM

[up]He's one of the strongest energy absorbers in the MU. Adam Warlock was basically helpless and he's easily at Carol's level. He's also got a massive bag of tricks that's way beyond hers and Wanda's.

Edited by HasturHasturHastur on Apr 2nd 2022 at 6:33:46 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#141059: Apr 2nd 2022 at 6:38:41 PM

Sounds like an X Men villain to me

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HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#141060: Apr 2nd 2022 at 6:43:10 PM

[up]Well, yes, because he's a Summers and has fought them and the Shi'ar are traditionally X-Men characters, but again, given Carol's status as the galactic protector and the dysfunction junction that is the Shi'ar royal family, it makes perfect sense that she'd be the first to deal with him. He's also hardly restricted to the X-Men, given his clashes with Black Bolt that ripped open the fault to the Cancerverse.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#141061: Apr 2nd 2022 at 6:47:24 PM

No I mean because he has all the powers

X-Men barely remembers how to make new villains that don’t just write “yes” next to the superpowers? question on the application

Least in the 90s. Maybe it’s gotten better.

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HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#141062: Apr 2nd 2022 at 6:53:48 PM

He's overpowered as shit, there's no doubt, but his biggest weakness is that he also barely knows how to use his abilities because he's never had to learn - it's not like anyone can survive a fight against him past the first few seconds. He's a means to an end in either case - his saga would eventually lead to the creation of the Cancerverse fault as one of the biggest consequences of multiversal meddling.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#141063: Apr 2nd 2022 at 7:09:00 PM

makes perfect sense that she'd be the first to deal with him.

It could just as easily be Gladiator who fights Vulcan because he's still loyal to Lialandra.

Edited by Cortez on Apr 2nd 2022 at 10:14:35 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#141064: Apr 2nd 2022 at 7:10:29 PM

Plus, it’s his job to job

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HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#141065: Apr 2nd 2022 at 8:18:00 PM

[up][up]Gladiator would definitely fight him for that reason and would get stomped and Carol would find him absolutely brutalized (along with the rest of the Imperial Guard either dying or dead), with Gabe about to finish the job.

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#141066: Apr 3rd 2022 at 8:47:14 AM

https://www.cbr.com/daredevil-confirmed-canon-mcu-marvel/

APPARENTLY the Netflix Daredevil series (and presumably by extension the other Defenders shows) are now fully Canon to the MCU. I say apparently because the article making the claim seems to be reaching a bit frankly and it could just as easily be a soft reboot IMO

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
Lymantria Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph from Toronto Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph
#141067: Apr 3rd 2022 at 10:21:33 AM

At one point (before No Way Home), I was pessimistically sure they were going to take the easy route and never reference any of those shows or characters in any capacity ever again, but I suppose I was wrong.

Edited by Lymantria on Apr 3rd 2022 at 5:22:17 PM

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#141068: Apr 3rd 2022 at 10:26:33 AM

I suspect it's no accident that the Netflix shows suddenly becoming canon happens to coincide with Disney getting the distribution rights to stream them on Disney Plus.

That was likely the main obstacle before. Disney didn't want "required reading" for their franchise to motivate people to sign up for a competing subscription service. But now these shows are a way to pad content.

If seeing Matt Murdock in a movie would encourage you to sign up for Netflix and find out what he's about, then he's unwelcome. But if it encourages you to sign up for Disney Plus, then we are going to market the shit out of him!

Edited by TobiasDrake on Apr 3rd 2022 at 10:29:25 AM

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jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#141069: Apr 3rd 2022 at 11:01:40 AM

Plus Daredevil is probably the most popular/least controversial of the group. Jess is a sex crime victim, Cage has the whole racial prejudice angle and Iron Fist brings the racebender arguments back into play (and is fairly obsolete in marketing terms now Shang Chi is pretty much him, but better in all ways.)

Start with the white male protag and go from there... (though to be fair he is probably legitimately also the most popular/famous of them in "general" terms too.)

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#141070: Apr 3rd 2022 at 12:09:21 PM

Daredevil also has a lot of potential when it comes to crossovers. We've already seen him help Spider-Man, but he also has potential to show up elsewhere as a damn good supporting player in this extensive world.

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#141071: Apr 3rd 2022 at 12:22:33 PM

The article was updated and apparantly references to No Way Home in the bio were removed.

And I can't find any other site talking about it.

Edited by Cortez on Apr 3rd 2022 at 3:44:47 PM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#141072: Apr 3rd 2022 at 12:49:09 PM

If they were to continue the Netflix shows rather than reboot them, how should they handle the Snap and five year timeskip?

I feel like Luke Cage and Iron Fists' third seasons would need to be set before the Snap in order for the storylines to make sense, and could address it in their fourth seasons. Daredevil, Jessica Jones, and Punisher, due to the relatively complete notes they ended on, could just pick back up five years later without needing to do much other than a quick "here's what each character has been up to for the past five years, including possibly not existing" recap.

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#141073: Apr 3rd 2022 at 1:18:29 PM

I could see Trish having been released from prison in between the years.

Edited by Cortez on Apr 3rd 2022 at 4:19:24 AM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#141074: Apr 3rd 2022 at 1:31:38 PM

Unlikely. First-degree murder usually gets you at least 20 years in New York, and that's just one charge.

Trish has two counts of first-degree murder, one count of second-degree murder, one count of attempted murder, multiple counts of aggravated assault, kidnapping, B&E, and trespassing. Even accounting for Trish being a woman and a local celebrity, she's not going anywhere for a long time, if ever.

Unless she escaped. tongue

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Apr 3rd 2022 at 4:32:52 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#141075: Apr 3rd 2022 at 1:32:26 PM

I would be shocked if this wasn't a soft-reboot situation, tbh.


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