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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#141001: Mar 31st 2022 at 12:29:06 PM

You’re awfully confident about something that is rather debatable.

What's supposed to be the grounds for and against?

Edited by fredhot16 on Mar 31st 2022 at 1:23:12 AM

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HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#141002: Mar 31st 2022 at 1:28:10 PM

I think the Young Avengers are also coming. My guess is Kate Bishop, Iron Lad (if Kang's variants appear), America Chavez, Hulkling, Wiccan, Speed, and maybe Noh-Varr, Cassie Lang, and Kid Loki (depending on how Loki's second season goes). Dark Avengers too, since we have John Walker and Mac Gargan, and I feel like Skaar will show up fairly soon.

Edited by HasturHasturHastur on Mar 31st 2022 at 1:32:27 AM

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#141003: Mar 31st 2022 at 1:39:58 PM

[up] As I said before, I'm somewhat doubtful that Mac Gargan is going to have too much of a presence outside of the Spider-Man movies, due to how possessive Sony is of the characters's villain roster. I'm more likely to think the Abomination and Ghost might join the Dark Avengers since they're more morally ambiguous.

I think Ms. Marvel and Eli Bradley have potential to join the Young Avengers as well, since they're both on the younger side. Bradley in particular might be a fascinating addition, given his grandfather's tragic history, and we still haven't seen what he thinks of what happened. I think there's a lot of potential there.

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HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#141004: Mar 31st 2022 at 1:42:47 PM

I think Kamala Khan, along with Eli and Riri Williams, are much more likely to be part of the Champions. Good call on Ghost, she seems like someone who would join just out of a sense of feeling lost.

Edited by HasturHasturHastur on Mar 31st 2022 at 1:43:55 AM

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#141005: Mar 31st 2022 at 1:50:31 PM

[up] From her POV, perhaps she felt betrayed by the Pym-Van Dyne family after they disappeared for five years, and left her to suffer with her condition? That would be good enough cause for her to turn to Valentina.

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HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#141006: Mar 31st 2022 at 2:08:09 PM

Daken would also be an easy sell if Wolverine joins the Avengers or even just becomes famous through Alpha Flight - he's a man who can't deal with his own problems and just runs from them going out and saving other people, when he abdicated responsibility for his own son and condemned him to a miserable, loveless existence.

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#141007: Mar 31st 2022 at 2:16:57 PM

I think Infinity War and Endgame are self-contained enough that they're more like two separate movies than two halves of one movie.

Obviously, you should watch one before the other, just like you would with any movie and its' sequel, but if you've seen both, you can rewatch one without the other with no issues.

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#141008: Mar 31st 2022 at 2:26:34 PM

Infinity War works as a self-contained movie. Endgame....not so much.

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#141009: Mar 31st 2022 at 2:32:34 PM

I think Endgame works better as a standalone movie than Infinity War does. IW cuts abruptly on a Downer Ending, while EG starts In Medias Res and then does a timeskip to re-establish the status quo.

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#141010: Mar 31st 2022 at 2:38:49 PM

I honestly think if they're going to do Young Avengers, Kid Loki and Wanda's Children will probably have cast changes so their ages are in the same age range as Hailee Steinfeld and Kathryn Newton.

Timothée Chalamet is a favorite if they decide to recast Loki/Kid Loki, although he doesn't seem that interested.

Regarding the Dark Avengers, I think they will throw more on the side of the Thunderbiolts.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Mar 31st 2022 at 2:42:04 AM

HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#141011: Mar 31st 2022 at 2:51:44 PM

Wiccan and Speed could just age with their actors - they're tulpas born of Wanda's magic and will, they could handle themselves just fine with older humans. Kate would probably be the oldest and would split leadership duties between herself, Eli (if he's here), and Iron Lad anyways, with Cassie, America, and Hulkling being in their late teens, Kid Loki being in his preteens or early teens (maybe, assuming he didn't lose his ability to age), Noh-Varr maybe being in his late teens or early twenties, and Wanda's kids being something indeterminate because age doesn't really apply to them.

Edited by HasturHasturHastur on Mar 31st 2022 at 3:01:13 AM

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#141012: Mar 31st 2022 at 2:52:31 PM

[up][up] The big question is, how long does it take for a Timothee Chalamet to grow into a Tom Hiddleston?

Edited by MatthewWayne on Mar 31st 2022 at 2:52:48 AM

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#141013: Mar 31st 2022 at 8:00:42 PM

Fun thought, I recently re-read my Infinity Gauntlet trade and its interesting how the comic has a more cosmic scale the movies make it more grounded in a sense.

I think the important distinction is the removal of the cosmic and deity characters like Silver Surfer, it radically changes the scale. Especially the changes to Thanos as since he's no longer motivated by Death and conversing with deities like Mephisto, he goes from a cosmic character to more of an alien character if you get what I mean.

Not saying its bad of course, its just interesting to compare the changes. I would say Strange is prolly the most cosmic one in the movies as he does mention the more esoteric effects the battle will have on the universe and even inherits Adam Warlock's role as the planner who makes hard choices to get the final victory.

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#141014: Apr 1st 2022 at 1:46:42 AM

Yeah, Thanos become merely a alien invader with a super weapon that a cosmic being finding comsic keystone.

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#141015: Apr 1st 2022 at 2:10:17 AM

Yeah to me there's like 3 semi-tiers that mix and match lot. There's Earth, aliens, and then cosmic. Now the former 2 tend to be grounded but they can merge with cosmic stuff. Cosmic tier generally involves getting into the esoteric so magic but also deities and the way of the universe like Eternity who is the sentient personification of the cosmos or of course the Celestials.

For instance the Guardians of the Galaxy are alien tier, having relatively grounded low-spectacle abilities and going through mundane problems like poverty. Though they can dip into cosmic level threats which makes for a good contrast. Ego is very much a cosmic level threat which makes for a compelling battle to see how the ragtag group can defeat an opponent of such scale.

A good distinction on being cosmic tier is the ability to space travel under your own power. Now the Guardians can't do that, they need a ship to space travel or else they'd die. Meanwhile characters like Silver Surfer, Quasar, even Strange can fly through space without assistance.

Which leads to another interesting bit that Captain Marvel is a cosmic powered character but she at the moment has only dealt with alien threats that we've seen. Merely corrupt alien governments and empires, nothing that can tear the fabric of the universe yet.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 1st 2022 at 2:10:51 AM

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HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#141016: Apr 1st 2022 at 5:02:04 AM

We've got a couple high cosmic characters in the works (Silver Surfer, Nova, Adam Warlock, possibly Black Bolt depending on the Illuminati membership here), and I'm curious to see how far into that realm they go - the big one would obviously be the Shi'ar Empire, and while it may be a long shot, War of Kings and the Cancerverse could make for great crossover events. Could be a great showcase for all the serious cosmic heavy-hitters and a place for even Captain Marvel to struggle.

Edited by HasturHasturHastur on Apr 1st 2022 at 5:03:36 AM

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#141017: Apr 1st 2022 at 4:30:51 PM

In the works? They're doing something with the Silver Surfer?

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#141018: Apr 1st 2022 at 11:39:49 PM

I think there were rumours that whenever the new F4 project gets off the ground that Surfer was going to be involved, but absolutely nothing concrete yet.

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#141019: Apr 2nd 2022 at 2:42:13 AM

The upcoming Fantastic Four reboot should be a period piece set in the sixties instead of modern day. This would allow the F4 to hold the title of "Marvel's First Family", as well allowing the MCU to explore the Cold War era.

HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#141020: Apr 2nd 2022 at 5:14:39 AM

[up]I'd rather have the first dedicated X-Men MCU film be a period piece. That would, among other things, allow for Magneto to believably remain a Holocaust survivor.

As for the first MCU Fantastic Four film, I kinda want to see the U-Foes transplanted to their rogues gallery and have Doom start off as the villain, only to be forced to team up with the F4 to stop them partly because they are an enormous threat that is totally out of control and Doom knows that they are a threat to the world as much as Reed does, partly because Doom can't stand having anyone other than himself as Reed's nemesis.

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#141021: Apr 2nd 2022 at 5:49:49 AM

X-Men already has a period piece under its belt, though. Also, setting an X-Men film in the past may make it difficult to believably suggest that they've remained under the radar all these years.

Presumably, the first X-Men movie will be about mutants being revealed to the public.

Personally, I always thought the Blip was a golden opportunity for introducing X-Men without the baggage of "Where were they until now?" Something Something Infinity Gem is a go-to for MCU superpowers, after all. If even 1% of the people who were Blipped away came back "enhanced" by Infinity exposure, then suddenly you've got a mutant race that's 30-40 million strong scattered around the globe.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Apr 2nd 2022 at 5:50:16 AM

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HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#141022: Apr 2nd 2022 at 5:55:06 AM

That, or a Scarlet Witch mass reality-warping event, basically the reverse of House of M. I guess Magneto could be the descendant of survivors who himself was subject to religious persecution (possibly under the Soviet Union).

Edited by HasturHasturHastur on Apr 2nd 2022 at 5:55:30 AM

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#141023: Apr 2nd 2022 at 5:56:01 AM

Almost all of the last FoX-Men movies were period pieces, I'm sick of X-Men period pieces.

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#141024: Apr 2nd 2022 at 6:11:43 AM

On the one hand, there have been a lot of horrific genocides that have taken place in the decades since the Holocaust. But on the other hand, if you do that, you should probably take care not to erase his Jewish heritage.

There aren't a lot of openly Jewish characters in superhero media. Kitty Pryde is the only other one I can name off the top of my head.

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#141025: Apr 2nd 2022 at 6:12:33 AM

And Moon Knight.


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