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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#140951: Mar 25th 2022 at 10:02:45 AM

Vampires should get into vampire writing and spread the wrong weaknesses around

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#140952: Mar 25th 2022 at 10:27:35 AM

Yes but thats not really the main appeal of Nova

He was earth focused for years. He didn't become primarily space focused until 2000s. Since by then he graduated from being a teen hero. So i can see a Nova staying on earth for those old school Nova stories.

Richard isn't like Quill who spent his entire life in space. He even still has living family members on earth.

Edited by Cortez on Mar 25th 2022 at 3:10:59 PM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#140953: Mar 25th 2022 at 12:13:09 PM

He was earth focused for years. He didn't become primarily space focused until 2000s.

And that is exactly when he became popular. Before, he wasn't really notable. After Annihilation, he basically went from C-Lister to A-Lister.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#140954: Mar 25th 2022 at 12:15:22 PM

Rich actually is like Quill and MCU Carol in that he rarely ever goes back home to Earth.

Like Rich does have family there but he largely spends all his time now in space to the point of sharing a laugh with Quasar over considering Earth's heroes have it easy compared to cosmic heroes like them.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 25th 2022 at 12:16:01 PM

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#140955: Mar 25th 2022 at 12:53:25 PM

In Vampires vs. the Bronx, the vampires went into real estate and can “invite” themselves into homes by buying the building.

Made me remember an episode of Being Human when a vampire bought a house just to disinvite the vampire that were hiding there, essentially trapping and killing all of them.

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#140956: Mar 25th 2022 at 1:27:24 PM

And that is exactly when he became popular. Before, he wasn't really notable.

He was popular before that, though Annihilation certainly boosted that. Still a good chunk of his career and his stories was on earth and unlike Quill, he still calls it home.

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And Rich does still go to earth to visit his mother and he still talks with Night Thrasher and the og New Warriors. Unlike Quill, he does have active ties to earth.

Edited by Cortez on Mar 25th 2022 at 4:56:04 AM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#140957: Mar 25th 2022 at 1:58:16 PM

His own page on this very wiki notes how his series barely lasted for 25 issues and how he fell into complete obscurity after his brief stint on the New Warriors.

Annihilation being the story that severely boosted his popularity and had him take several levels in badassness isn't really a matter of taste.

Sure, you can say that you personally liked him better back then, but the majority did not.

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#140958: Mar 25th 2022 at 2:07:30 PM

There is the question of why would we get more Earth adventures when wee already have 20 movies that take place on Earth?

Greenlighting a Nova project only makes sense if its about his space adventures as an expansion of Marvel's cosmic setting which has only been explored fully at the moment by the 2 Guardians movies and Thor Ragnarok.

Captain Marvel was more cosmic focused but it still largely took place on Earth.

Nova is largely famous now for his cosmic adventures so it stands to reason that any adaptation of him would focus on cosmic stuff.

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#140959: Mar 25th 2022 at 2:10:56 PM

His own page on this very wiki notes how his series barely lasted for 25 issues and how he fell into complete obscurity after his brief stint on the New Warriors.

His time in the New Warriors wasn't brief, he was there for most of the original run until it ended. His own page even mentions that before Annihilation, most of his appearances where in new volumes of New Warriors.

It was Annihilation that helped him stand on his own, but before that he was mostly known as a NW character.

There is the question of why would we get more Earth adventures when wee already have 20 movies that take place on Earth?

That is how Rich's story start. Speaking of, i wonder how they'll introduce the super powered Nova's, since the ones we've seen in the MCU so far didn't have powers.

Edited by Cortez on Mar 25th 2022 at 5:31:05 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#140960: Mar 25th 2022 at 2:41:45 PM

It is kind of noticeable that there isn't a movie - from anyone: Marvel, DC, Fox, Sony, etc - that really combines the cosmic and earth themes very well, even though a lot of the characters involved in the MCU have been doing both for ages. There isn't really a "how cosmic and Earth interact" series. Most characters either stick to Earth strictly withtheir non-Earth concepts written out, or stick to cosmic entirely with their Earth concepts written out.

Thor tried to merge, but wasn't good at it for reasons that a lot of fans at the time blamed Earth itself for, but which I always felt was a problem with the writing, not the setting - and I'm hoping Love and Thunder can finally fix that. Multiverse of Madness might end up doing it as well: Dr. Strange is a good character for that kind of thing.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 25th 2022 at 2:43:05 AM

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#140961: Mar 25th 2022 at 2:47:16 PM

Strange does seem to work in many different settings.

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#140962: Mar 25th 2022 at 3:04:10 PM

There is the question of why would we get more Earth adventures when wee already have 20 movies that take place on Earth?

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Edited by TobiasDrake on Mar 25th 2022 at 3:32:47 AM

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#140963: Mar 25th 2022 at 4:20:59 PM

[up] Are we sure this wasn't written by a Sentinel? Or Ultron?

Actually, speaking of the X-Men, I've always wondered how Dark Cerebro would affect all the heroes of the MCU. Since we've only seen it try to kill all mutants and humans, who would qualify for each side? Do super soldiers count as mutants? What about the Hulk, Spider-Man or Captain Marvel? Would aliens be unaffected by Dark Cerebro? What about mystical humans or the aforementioned vampires?

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#140964: Mar 25th 2022 at 4:34:32 PM

I figured Dark Cerebro would just target whoever had the X-gene or not.

So, if it targeted humans, guys like Cap or the Hulk would be affected since they're not mutants. Guys like Thor or Rocket wouldn't, since they're not human at all. Half-human hybrids like Quill would probably be affected as well.

[down] What I mean is that if Dark Cerebo was targeting humans, Quill would most likely be affected because he's half-human. A full Celestial like Ego or Arishem would be fine, since they're not human.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Mar 25th 2022 at 7:45:14 AM

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#140965: Mar 25th 2022 at 4:38:19 PM

[up] Yeah, but Quill is (well, was) half-Celestial, and Celestials aren't mutants to my knowledge. Because by that logic, Ego and Arishem would suffering that pain as well, which could potentially be universe-ending if they all lose control over their powers.

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#140966: Mar 28th 2022 at 12:01:51 AM

Vampires should get into vampire writing and spread the wrong weaknesses around

Dresden Files actually did a variation of that. The White Court, a bunch of motionEater vampires, sponsored Bram Stoker's Dracula in order to spread knowledge of the weaknesses of the Black Court vampires. As a result, the Black Court vampires are nearly extinct...though this also means that the ones who are left are very dangerous.

Edited by M84 on Mar 29th 2022 at 3:03:19 AM

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#140967: Mar 28th 2022 at 12:43:23 AM

It will be interesting to see how "traditional" Blade's baddie vampires will be in terms of powers/weaknesses. You have to presume they still have some of the classic weaknesses for his dhampyr/half-human status to actually confer any advantages but go too far and it will look a bit hokey.

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#140968: Mar 29th 2022 at 8:54:57 AM

First reviews are coming out fir Moon Knight (all posted on the dedicated thread to avoid confusion) and seem broadly positive though it seems that MK does not have much in the way of connections to the wider MCU - though this might change in the last two episodes that reviewers haven't seen yet.

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#140969: Mar 29th 2022 at 9:13:57 AM

A lack of specific connections to the overall MCU was within my expectations.

My guess is that there will be a few token references early on to establish that "yes, this does take place in the MCU" and then at the end there will be something that puts what Moon Knight's next step is in the context of the wider MCU.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#140970: Mar 29th 2022 at 9:18:18 AM

One thing I'm wondering about Blade - I've never read his comics, but as I understand it, he basically doesn't have any qualms about killing friendly neighborhood vampires and has been shown as gleefully enacting pogrom-like massacres.

Which (I hope) sounds like a tough sell for a character that's supposed to be heroic.

I would probably assume that it will be toned down. Since MCU characters generally avoid their comic counterparts' worst moments (Wanda's definitely getting there though).

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#140971: Mar 29th 2022 at 9:19:37 AM

They may go the Always Chaotic Evil route, to avoid any kind of moral ambiguity.

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#140972: Mar 29th 2022 at 10:13:29 AM

That is what they did in the movies, iirc.

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#140973: Mar 29th 2022 at 10:18:07 AM

Sort of. Movie 2 is built on Blade allying with Vampires and walking back some of his rhetoric as he realizes not all vampires are one-note-monsters by way of Nyssa (his love interest in film 2, who's a vampire). You could easily just do something similar, particularly given Blade II is the most consistent of the Blade movies.

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#140974: Mar 29th 2022 at 11:10:46 AM

I'm actually really glad that Moon Knight is trying to avoid specific connections to the overall MCU. It really emphasizes that this is his story, and that there aren't other people who are aware of him, so as to build up the hype for when he potentially gets involved with ensemble stuff.

They did this previously with Doctor Strange and the Guardians, so I think it's cool that we're seeing this in Moon Knight as well.

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#140975: Mar 29th 2022 at 11:25:05 AM

References to the larger Marvel Universe are hit and miss in properties like this. When done well, they can be a lot of fun. The first episode of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. featured a brief, entertaining debate between Maria Hill and one of the show's cast, Grant Ward, over whether Thor technically qualifies as a god.

Other times, it can just feel like a character saying, "Hello, did you know that we're part of a larger continuity? Just popped by to mention that. Toodles!"

This is especially common when writers try to look clever by talking around the reference. Avoiding using proper nouns in an attempt to sound more "casual conversation", like referring to Thor's arrival as "when the guy with the hammer fell out of the sky". A way that no human being would organically describe the event of a specific, well-known godlike figure descending to Earth.

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