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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#140926: Mar 24th 2022 at 10:28:46 PM

Is Richard an alien, or was he born on Earth and lived most of his life in space like Star-Lord?

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#140927: Mar 24th 2022 at 10:31:56 PM

Rich was born and raised on earth. He got his Nova powers during his teenage years.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#140928: Mar 24th 2022 at 10:44:25 PM

[up][up][up] Yes but thats not really the main appeal of Nova, its the cosmic stuff.

Any focus on Earth beyond it just being the planet Nova happens to be from would be the opposite of people's expectations.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 24th 2022 at 10:45:11 AM

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HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#140929: Mar 25th 2022 at 2:21:39 AM

Back a page or two:

Werewolf by Night is more the title of the book, I don't think it comes up in-universe much, if ever. He was one of the wave of monster characters who came in once the Comics Code was relaxed enough to allow that. It was originally going to be called "I, Werewolf" but they changed it. The funniest thing is that at some points he's had full control of his lycanthropy meaning he can in fact transform during the day.

He also has a niece who is a vampire/werewolf hybrid who in the same vein is referred to as "Vampire by Night". To be fair it makes a bit more sense for her because her weird hybrid curse means she is a normal human by day and a vampire by night (and a wolf on full moons).

One issue of his book featured the first appearance of Moon Knight; seeing as he's getting an MCU show, there's definite crossover potential there.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#140930: Mar 25th 2022 at 4:45:14 AM

"vampire during the night, human during the day" has to be such a rad outcome. Best of both worlds surely?

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#140931: Mar 25th 2022 at 6:48:51 AM

That's basically how it worked in the original Bram Stoker book.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#140932: Mar 25th 2022 at 8:13:38 AM

I do find vampires are most interesting when you go really deep into both their traditional powers and their traditional weaknesses.

Having to sleep in the dirt of your original grave each dawn is an interesting limitation, as is not being able to cross running water (unless in your grave dirt). Being able to create ghouls and shapeshift and command nocturnal creatures is just so stylish.

Like Vampires do well in my mind when you divorce them from the usual superheroes and make them explicitly magical. I hope the MCU goes the same way.

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#140933: Mar 25th 2022 at 8:33:51 AM

-scatters coins at the feet of the vampire-

-said vampire now has to count all the coins

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
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#140934: Mar 25th 2022 at 8:34:55 AM

Just run into the nearest building. They have to be invited in.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#140935: Mar 25th 2022 at 8:41:36 AM

I like that though, as it requires vampires to be tricksy about how they get you.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#140936: Mar 25th 2022 at 8:56:36 AM

One of my favorite things about vampires is that they're one of the things you can see in almost every culture in the world, and every culture has their own unique bonkers rules for how they operate.

I remember Jackie Chan Adventures had a whole episode dedicated to making fun of all the weird rules surrounding jiangshi.

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JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#140938: Mar 25th 2022 at 9:08:19 AM

The important thing is that the vampires must be good at keeping up the masquerade, and that the Stupid Evil vampires are seen as a threat.

Pragmatic Vampire Leader: 15 years ago maintaining the masquerade was important, but now that we know there are people like Thor and other beings who could easily destroy us, it's even more important now.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Mar 25th 2022 at 9:11:27 AM

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#140939: Mar 25th 2022 at 9:23:54 AM

Fun fact: Thor's lightning counts as holy element

They really don't want to fuck with that.

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#140940: Mar 25th 2022 at 9:37:26 AM

Thor is literally a god. His whole-ass body should count as a holy weapon.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#140941: Mar 25th 2022 at 9:37:48 AM

So wait, if vampires aren't allowed inside a building without invitation, does that mean that the TVA's Minutemen had to cordially invite every vampire they arrested into their headquarters?

Because that would be funny as hell.

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ECD Since: Nov, 2021
#140942: Mar 25th 2022 at 9:39:17 AM

That's part of what makes me real nervous for this sort of post-hoc expansion of the universe. It tends to fall into either 'vampires are so weak compared to superheroes that we shouldn't really be worried' or 'vampires are a serious threat, so (1) why did they ever bother to hide? and (2) where have they been for every other threat to the planet?'

They didn't exactly stick the landing for this sort of question on Eternals, I'm not super thrilled for them to take another, far bigger swing at it.

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#140943: Mar 25th 2022 at 9:43:03 AM

There may be loopholes.

I remember Buffy the Vampire Slayer ran with the "Vampires must be invited" rule. There was literally a mystical barrier over any and all structures that would repel vampires from entering by any means if they hadn't been invited. It was left ambiguous over whether cars had such a barrier or not; One character believed so, but she also had a few screws loose so who knows? There was also a spell that the characters could cast, that would disinvite a vampire and restore the barrier.

But the same show featured the occasional loophole. A character who thought she was safe studying at the high school was startled to discover the vampire she was trying to counter had found her there. He justified his ability to enter the building by referencing a sign out front, which offered a blanket invitation to anyone who seeks knowledge. He sought knowledge of her plans to counter him, so he qualified for the invite.

(This scene, of course, ignored the fact that vampires had been regularly entering the school for two seasons up to this point but whatever. Most people just assumed public spaces didn't count until this explanation arrived and made things more confusing.)

Edited by TobiasDrake on Mar 25th 2022 at 9:44:04 AM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#140944: Mar 25th 2022 at 9:44:40 AM

Also,the school was literally on a top of a Hellmouth,so no wonder vampires just strolled right in

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#140945: Mar 25th 2022 at 9:46:11 AM

In Vampires vs. the Bronx, the vampires went into real estate and can “invite” themselves into homes by buying the building.

ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#140946: Mar 25th 2022 at 9:49:39 AM

Dresden Files had it that the home had to have a 'Threshhold' a mystic barrier that naturally formed around a house as it was lived in. Apartment buildings had very weak to no thresholds while the apartments would have slightly stronger ones. A home that had housed several generations of the same family would have stronger threshold than a newly built home.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#140947: Mar 25th 2022 at 9:51:13 AM

There's a pretty good ongoing comic called Redneck about vampires in the US deep south(-west), and that universe's mechanics is that vampires can enter uninvited, but it causes them immense physical and psychological pain the longer they stay there. So they usually bypass it with human servants.

I am currently writing a graphic novel about vampires wherein they have the Must Be Invited rule and they bypass it by communicating with animals and insects native to that locale. So the roach in your kitchen? It can grant a vampire permission to enter.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#140948: Mar 25th 2022 at 9:57:02 AM

I love that. So much.

I feel like if Vampires are winning no one knows they exist and they just freely eat who ever and they cover it up.

They're kind of easy to exspansion pack their way in, in that they want to not be known to the world.

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#140949: Mar 25th 2022 at 10:00:13 AM

I sort of feel like it’s a mistake to go too deep into the why of the vampire invitation thing

It’s a thing that makes sense on a folk tale logic, like vampires being weak to the sun, but only invites silliness if you try to like get deep into the weeds and explain why

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#140950: Mar 25th 2022 at 10:00:20 AM

Vampires don't need people to not know they exist. They just need people to think they're fictional.

That's something vampire media never dwells on. Like. Every vampire work has that moment where a character's like, "Whoa! Vampires are real!?" Vampire media exists in every piece of vampire media. Characters know what vampires are. They just think vampires are fake.

But. Like. How does that happen? How do vampires preserve their fictional-ness in the universe? Are there actual vampires writing vampire novels? Do writers get inspired by actual vampire events that have happened, that they think are mythical? What is the relationship between the real vampires and the vampire fiction that people consume?

Edited by TobiasDrake on Mar 25th 2022 at 10:00:58 AM

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