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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#140901: Mar 24th 2022 at 11:07:03 AM

I think Werewolf By Night is just a bit of a title gag that stuck. I.e. the purpose was just to amusingly describe the character in a sentence ("Jack Russell, human by day, Werewolf By Night") and it stuck as a name.

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#140902: Mar 24th 2022 at 11:38:30 AM

Aaaaand it's gone. [lol]

Apparently we have a rule that we don't add anything unless explicitly stated by Word of God, i.e. Disney / Marvel Studios and actors/directors on their behalf. Huh.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#140903: Mar 24th 2022 at 11:52:22 AM

Holy shit we're finally getting that Nova thing, badass.

Maybe we'll get something related to Annihilation.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#140904: Mar 24th 2022 at 11:53:58 AM

Hopefully no Sam Alexander.

But yeah, I am happy. The Nova Corps in GOTG was one of the very few outright insultingly bad things in that movie.

Edited by Forenperser on Mar 24th 2022 at 7:54:04 PM

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Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#140905: Mar 24th 2022 at 11:55:15 AM

[up][up][up]That doesn't sound accurate, I'm pretty sure Echo and House of Harkness were listed before they were confirmed during that one Disney+ thing.

Edited by Khfan429 on Mar 24th 2022 at 11:55:27 AM

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#140906: Mar 24th 2022 at 12:24:21 PM

Do you think we'll see just how decimated the Nova Corps were after Thanos got the Power Stone?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#140907: Mar 24th 2022 at 12:25:27 PM

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I know Sam is a Jeph Loeb creation and all, was in the Ultimate Spiderman series (where he was kinda an ass at first), and can be a bit of a jerk even in universe, but I'd be ok with him if Marvel made him more palatable.

But it's good that Rich is coming first. I do hope we don't get the name jokes.

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#140908: Mar 24th 2022 at 12:30:11 PM

I (as a troper, not a mod) am not too concerned about reputable trades vs. Marvel but right now the Nova news amounts to "they're writing a script". That's a bit too early to definitively put it down.

Edited by Synchronicity on Mar 24th 2022 at 2:30:27 PM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#140909: Mar 24th 2022 at 1:02:49 PM

The best way for the films to handle Magneto is to either not use him as a villain or not use him at all. The xmen have other villains anyway.

That first one is what I've been saying. Introduce him as an Anti-Villain who challenges the heroes not just physically, but in conviction and belief as well. Have him pull a Heel–Face Turn to begrudging-but-committed Anti-Hero (or alternatively, have the heroes realize he's been right all along and join his side) by the end of the first film, and have him stay that way in any future films.

Incidentally, this is why I think a Magneto who was cryogenically frozen by HYDRA like the Winter Soldier and wakes up in the present day could be more interesting than just a very old Magneto or one who has a different backstory. The Holocaust was almost 80 years ago, long before most people alive today were even born. Imagine somebody who was literally in a camp yesterday from his perspective, is now suddenly in a world that insists that's all in the past or didn't even happen, yet is seeing history repeat itself with Mutants, to say nothing of all the other real-life bigotry that still persists in the modern day.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#140910: Mar 24th 2022 at 1:22:13 PM

Me, I could do without seeing Magneto for a good long while. Guy was a lead character in all the main line X-Men films. Give someone else the spotlight.

(I also think it'd be a could idea to skip Wolverine and Professor X, too, as well as Mystique unless it's to set up Rogue.)

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#140911: Mar 24th 2022 at 1:25:22 PM

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I like it. For similar reasons (although without the freezing), I'd like to see Blue Marvel as a character. You could make both really interesting foils to Steve Rogers.

One other idea I've suggested (probably lots of others have to) is to have Magneto have slowed aging either as a secondary power or else (I really like this idea) because of getting a blood transfusion from "James Howlett" as a kid. I can kind of imagine the scene with the Howling Commandos liberating the camps and a seriously ill young Erik being given a blood transfusion.

I like it both because it would preserve Magneto's Holocaust survivor backstory and because it would be a rare positive version of No Doubt the Years Have Changed Me in which Magneto would have a secret debt owed to Wolverine.

Edited by Hodor2 on Mar 24th 2022 at 3:25:42 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#140912: Mar 24th 2022 at 1:55:32 PM

Sam isn’t a great Nova for a straight adaptation in that he’s got almost no connection to the Nova lore

You could smoosh him into another Nova who has more Nova going on I guess

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#140913: Mar 24th 2022 at 2:12:48 PM

When it comes to exploring Nova lore, Dick Rider is probably the go-to.

That said, it's not an either/or. Nova is, uh, plural in a way that some other legacy characters are not. You could totally make a movie with both Richard and Sam.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#140914: Mar 24th 2022 at 2:20:17 PM

[up] ...please don't tell me that Dick Rider is an actual name.

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#140915: Mar 24th 2022 at 2:20:50 PM

It's technically Richard Rider. He's pretty much the most well-known character to bear the Nova title. Even got promoted to Nova Prime following the Annihilation event.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Mar 24th 2022 at 2:21:25 AM

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#140916: Mar 24th 2022 at 2:21:21 PM

[up] Name-wise, Richard Rider isn't much of an improvement...

Edited by MatthewWayne on Mar 24th 2022 at 2:25:28 AM

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#140917: Mar 24th 2022 at 2:27:25 PM

It’s got alliteration going for it

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#140918: Mar 24th 2022 at 2:28:11 PM

There's no justice in the world if we don't get to hear Quill say, "Ha. Ha. Your name is Dick Rider."

Edited by Hodor2 on Mar 24th 2022 at 4:28:45 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#140919: Mar 24th 2022 at 2:30:13 PM

Hey Richard Grayson has no problem going by Dick.

And with these guys, someone is definitely gonna be calling out dick at some point in their romantic lives. tongue

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#140920: Mar 24th 2022 at 2:46:17 PM

[up] Yes, but Dick Grayson isn't nearly as weird or juvenile a name as Dick Rider is. Even if people primarily call him Richard, somebody's gonna point out how awkward the shortened version of it is when putting it together with Rider. No alliteration in the world can save that.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#140921: Mar 24th 2022 at 2:46:28 PM

There’s at least one panel of Starfire passionately crying out that she needs Dick

Almost but not quite drowned out by all the sophomoric giggling from everyone who has seen that panel

Edited by Bocaj on Mar 24th 2022 at 5:47:05 AM

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#140922: Mar 24th 2022 at 5:20:25 PM

Hey Richard Grayson has no problem going by Dick.

Well, there was that time DC tried out the whole "Ric Grayson" thing.

We don't talk about the "Ric Grayson" arc.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#140923: Mar 24th 2022 at 5:49:57 PM

Otherwise Rich is the mostly likely Nova they'll go with cause he's got the main-stuff.

Sam did have a pretty decent run by Duggan by Rich's run and role in the Dn A cosmic saga is what promoted Nova into the bigtime.

Even now ever since Rich came back, Sam has been consigned as the Earth Nova and Champions mainstay while Rich has been involved in any major cosmic event since as a famous hero of the galaxy.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#140924: Mar 24th 2022 at 6:26:05 PM

I wonder if they'll bring back John C Reilly as Abin Sur Rhomann Dey. I liked that they allowed the character to have a role that wasn't just a copy of Abin Sur that let him do more than just be an origin character.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 24th 2022 at 6:28:20 AM

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#140925: Mar 24th 2022 at 6:53:27 PM

Hopefully no Sam Alexander.

More hispanic heroes wouldn't hurt and the Nova Corps is a big organization.

I also liked the relationship between Rich and Sam.

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Which isn't a bad thing, Rich used to be stationed on earth himself.

Edited by Cortez on Mar 24th 2022 at 10:09:18 AM


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