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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Altris from the Vortex Since: Aug, 2019 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
#140626: Mar 16th 2022 at 11:21:47 PM

I don't like the change, but energy powers are probably easier to do on-screen, especially since the CGI people already had some experience depicting that with Carol. Makes me wonder how they're going to adapt her saving Zoe and her boyfriend (Carl?), now that I think about it.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#140627: Mar 17th 2022 at 12:19:32 AM

I'm simultaneously disappointed and also completely understanding of the practicality of the change.

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#140628: Mar 17th 2022 at 6:13:41 AM

I'm not surprised at them wanting to get rid of the Inhuman connection but that's not an explanation for them changing her powers outright. They could still have her gain the same Sizeshifting and polymorphing abilities through any number of other means.

I still suspect they changed her powers as some kind of way to link her more closely to Carol and Monica. That's the explanation that makes the most sense to me, even if I still don't like it.

Over in the Ms. Marvel TV thread, someone brought up a quote from Kamala's creator, G. Willow Wilson, with regards to her powers. Basically, Kamala was designed as an extremely comic-booky character with extremely comic booky powers and she had no idea how it would be possible for a live-action film to depict her powerset well. Kamala's own creator thinks her powers are unadaptable.

I wouldn't be surprised if the people helming the show concurred. We've had three Fantastic Four movies to try and get this right, and what those have shown is that rubber-man powers always, always look like absolute trash in live-action.

So I'm not surprised that they're changing things up. I am, however, surprised that her new powers are being Quasar, specifically.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Mar 17th 2022 at 6:15:44 AM

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#140629: Mar 17th 2022 at 7:41:32 AM

Going back to the actor-character morality subject: I wasn't trying to imply that an actor's commitment to a role is more important to their actual lives. Of course, one's personal life is more important than whatever their best role is.

I was just thinking about beloved Samuel L. Jackson's portrayal of Nick Fury is, how long he's played and is continuing to play the character, and how the character would inevitably be retired.

Because it is inevitable that we all die someday.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#140630: Mar 17th 2022 at 8:58:15 AM

Indont think Sam Jack wants Nick Fury to ever be retired though. I think he would happily play the character until he dies.

I can't see them writing out Nick in a way that Sam wouldn't regret shortly after.

Sam loves this role so much he used to turn up in costume as Nick Fury to marvel films he's not even scripted to appear in to try and blag some footage.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#140631: Mar 17th 2022 at 9:00:57 AM

He's basically half written out already in a way he can appear whenever necessary but his absence won't really raise eyebrows. Faked his death and moved to space.

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Hawkeye86 Spirit of Battle from Classified (Searching for Spock) Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
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#140632: Mar 17th 2022 at 9:08:15 AM

And once Fury is written out, a character like Maria Hill can fill in for him.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#140633: Mar 17th 2022 at 9:26:50 AM

Yeah, I get that. It's just...for a character like Nick Fury, I'd kinda like a low-key version of Tony Stark's funeral scene, given how important a player he is to this universe. I think killing him offscreen and a few people acknowledging it afterwards would be kind of an Undignified Death in my opinion.

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Spirit of Battle
#140634: Mar 17th 2022 at 9:32:49 AM

I like both the character and Samuel L Jackson, but I don't know if I'd say he's an important player in the MCU anymore. Once SHIELD fell in Winter Soldier he just kind of occasionally pops up randomly. His only big appearance since then is Capt Marvel, which was a prequel.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#140635: Mar 17th 2022 at 10:06:05 AM

I imagine if the actor dies the character would likely still get a funeral portrayed somewhere (possibly in a Captain Marvel film given she's the headlining hero with the greatest attachment to Nick currently.)

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#140636: Mar 17th 2022 at 1:22:21 PM

So, here's some fun trivia related to a plot point from Eternals: Ikaris flies into the sun, as we know. However, the Sun is 92.483 million miles from Earth and he can't fly that fast, only 850 mph. So it will take him 12.4 years for him to reach the sun. So there will be a lot of movies in-between then and when he gets there.

Edited by Weirdguy149 on Mar 17th 2022 at 4:22:46 AM

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#140637: Mar 17th 2022 at 1:28:11 PM

Lol.

Speaking of Eternals, something that struck me.

So, I keep forgetting and then remembering that Phastos is based on/supposed to be Hephaestus. Probably the most well-known Hephaestus story is him trapping Aphrodite and Ares in an unbreakable net while they were having sex.

I haven't taken the time to look into it, but I feel fairly confident that the restraints that Phastos uses to defeat Ikaris are supposed to be the same thing as that net.

Edited by Hodor2 on Mar 17th 2022 at 3:30:59 AM

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#140638: Mar 17th 2022 at 1:28:30 PM

[up][up] He's gonna go blind long before then, anyway. tongue

Edited by chasemaddigan on Mar 17th 2022 at 4:28:48 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#140639: Mar 17th 2022 at 1:52:12 PM

Maybe he can fly faster outside atmosphere

No friction to slow down his acceleration, etc

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#140640: Mar 17th 2022 at 1:57:44 PM

I did hear about that, and the info I found out there was that he takes 17 hours to get there. Still a long time to rethink your actions before you commit.

The legend has returned.
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#140641: Mar 17th 2022 at 2:29:37 PM

What's 17 hours to someone who've lived seven thousand years.

Edited by Whowho on Mar 17th 2022 at 9:30:02 AM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#140642: Mar 17th 2022 at 2:37:37 PM

[up] Still a long time. Hang out in the DMV for 17 hours, and you'll see how much time flying towards the sun takes.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#140643: Mar 17th 2022 at 2:42:11 PM

Time definitely travels slower in the DMV than in the vastness of empty space.

That's why Bugs Bunny trappes people there

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#140644: Mar 17th 2022 at 2:46:50 PM

Yeah, I agree. That is a lot of time to have a think about whether suicide maybe isn't a good idea after all.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#140645: Mar 17th 2022 at 2:49:04 PM

Ikaris: “I’d rather plunge into the sun than admit I made a bad call here”

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#140646: Mar 17th 2022 at 3:21:46 PM

wild mass guessRight at that moment Doctor Strange happened to open a portal to the sun because he wanted to fry some burgers really fast and Ikaris flew right in.wild mass guess

[down]Dormammu, I’ve come to barbecue?

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Mar 17th 2022 at 5:19:26 AM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#140647: Mar 17th 2022 at 5:08:36 PM

I thought Doctor Strange just opens a portal right over Dormammu's fiery head when he needs to grill stuff.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#140648: Mar 17th 2022 at 5:28:28 PM

His head isn't fiery in the MCU, I don't think. If not, his head's too big for him to notice.

The legend has returned.
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#140650: Mar 17th 2022 at 7:57:56 PM

So I decided to check how the Netflix shows are stored on Disney+.

Surprisingly, they get their own section called The Defenders Saga which includes all six shows, and aren't under the legacy section nor the television series section (side note, I didn't realize Inhumans was already on Disney+. How long has that been there?).

Incidentally, as of this move, is Daredevil s2e03 the first property on Disney+ to say "fuck" uncensored?

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