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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#140601: Mar 15th 2022 at 7:49:18 PM

The way superheroes are treated in universe in marvel its like they're both real people and the IP that they are out of universe.

There's just a ton of fictional and based on a true story entertainment based on superheroes in the marvel universe. Captain America used to draw Captain America comics. The Fantastic Four used to call up John Byrne after every adventure to give him the plot to the next issue of Fantastic Four. But world outside your window means that there's marvel merchandise inside the marvel universe. Video games based on the Avengers and action figures and lunch boxes and all of that the superheroes don't see a dime of.

Kamala writes Avengers fanfiction because she's a superhero fan, like much of the audience. Its weird because the Avengers are actual people that she can actually meet. But that's not the only time marvel characters have been treated like marvel characters even though it doesn't make sense.

And for what its worth, Kamala didn't write a Scott/Emma romance fic. She mentioned to Wolverine that her Wolverine/Storm team-up story got the second most number of likes and morbid curiosity drove him to ask what got the number one number. And then he whined when it turned out to be a Scott story. Then again, he had lost his healing factor so he just wasn't having a good time in general.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#140602: Mar 15th 2022 at 7:53:06 PM

Man, that reminds me of that Ultimate Spider-Man comic when comic Sam Raimi is actually making a Spider-Man movie, and Peter is pissed he doesn't see a single penny from it.

Then Doc Ock crashes it, he fights Spidey, it's caught on film, and it makes millions at the box office.

And Peter is annoyed local bully and self-insert got more money and fame out of it than he could.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#140603: Mar 15th 2022 at 7:55:31 PM

[up][up]The first issue of Runaways even started with Alex Wilder playing an Avengers MMO.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#140604: Mar 15th 2022 at 8:00:38 PM

Even with the explanation that superheroes have their own in-universe comic lines, they still get treated more like fictional characters by in-universe fans than like real world celebrities.

There’s a bit from Dan Slott’s She-Hulk run where fans at a comic book store pester Shulkie about continuity errors in her biographical comic, to which her friend Stu challenges them to come with answers themselves and win a No-Prize. Obviously this only fits in a comic book world.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#140605: Mar 15th 2022 at 9:57:16 PM

Jeez, all this talk about in-universe fanfiction between the Avengers is somehow more mindmelting than anything multiverse related. Hell, even Deadpool's fourth wall breaking is easier to follow!

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#140606: Mar 16th 2022 at 1:27:02 AM

I can believe there would be in universe real person shipping given the culture of how superheroes are treated in universe as personas or characters that are heavily marketed (often without the concent of the hero)

Marvel comics in universe publish fictionoised biographies of the heroes, why shouldn't the fans.

I mean, probably neither of them should be doing it in universe.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#140607: Mar 16th 2022 at 9:11:54 AM

The line between shipping characters and shipping real people can get murky when there are movies and TV shows and the like based on them. Like, if someone's a fan of the TV show /The Crown and writes fanfiction that ships, say, Prince Charles and Margaret Thatcher, they're not necessarily thinking about the real people those characters are based on.

Edited by RavenWilder on Mar 16th 2022 at 9:12:25 AM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#140608: Mar 16th 2022 at 9:13:06 AM

That's a really good demonstration.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#140609: Mar 16th 2022 at 9:27:05 AM

[up][up] That said, even thinking of that idea from a non-viewer like me is...disturbing, to say the least.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Mar 16th 2022 at 9:27:13 AM

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Vault Dweller
#140610: Mar 16th 2022 at 10:53:31 AM

Some new promotional images for Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness have surfaced. (And the main characters for the movie now have unique emojis for their Twitter hashtags)

Okey Dokey!
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#140611: Mar 16th 2022 at 2:04:49 PM

[up] Neat stuff. Curious to see what we get from this film!

Speaking of cool things, looks like we got War Machine for Secret Invasion too.

I'll admit I was kind of hoping that this series wasn't actually going to have any Avengers in it, in lieu of being some sort of alien conspiracy government thriller that focused on Badass Normal main characters. But in fairness, we really need more War Machine, so I'm cool with this.

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jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#140612: Mar 16th 2022 at 2:24:42 PM

And of all heroes, War Machine does make a degree of sense. Given his past working with the military and SHIELD its not that implausible he ends up working with/for another agency again.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#140613: Mar 16th 2022 at 3:57:41 PM

Long term they could have him replace Thaddeus as Secretary of Defense.

I love Don Cheadle in the role and I find War Machine in the MCU interesting as he's actually the superhero with the longest active service on Earth at this point.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#140614: Mar 16th 2022 at 4:15:14 PM

I feel like Nick has seniority. That is, if he survives this, which I am 50/50 on.

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lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#140615: Mar 16th 2022 at 4:16:59 PM

I think he will. I remember Jackson saying he wants to keep playing him for as long as he possibly can.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#140616: Mar 16th 2022 at 5:05:55 PM

[up] While I'm totally cool with that idea, it is worth noting that Jackson is in his early seventies, only two years older than William Hurt before he died. I hope there's some kind of exit strategy for Fury, because it would be really lame if they have to kill him offscreen because of actor mortality.

Call me paranoid, but after we lost Chadwick and the guy playing Midnight Man, I'm just worried anyone's going to die at the drop of a hat.

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dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#140617: Mar 16th 2022 at 5:45:25 PM

Call me paranoid, but after we lost Chadwick and the guy playing Midnight Man, I'm just worried anyone's going to die at the drop of a hat.

Gaspard Ulliel's death by the way was from injuries in a skiing accident (for anyone who isn't yet in the know).

Okey Dokey!
ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#140618: Mar 16th 2022 at 8:36:10 PM

Anyone can die at any time. Anton Yelchin was 27 when he was crushed to death.

Rita Moreno is 90 and just turned in an excellent performance in a film.

Worrying about characters and their "exit strategies" because human beings actually die is a little...insensitive?

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#140619: Mar 16th 2022 at 8:41:46 PM

[up]I was trying to phrase why that statement felt so off and this put that into words perfectly.

Actors' lives aren't in service of franchises.

Edited by Synchronicity on Mar 16th 2022 at 10:42:06 AM

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#140620: Mar 16th 2022 at 8:42:58 PM

Y'know, I legitimately forget sometimes how old Sam Jackson actually is. The fact that we might loose this guy sooner rather than later is honestly really upsetting.

Still, even if he does go, he'll have left behind one hell of a motherfuckin' legacy, so we can at least be content with that.

Edited by lbssb on Mar 16th 2022 at 8:43:44 AM

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#140621: Mar 16th 2022 at 8:45:18 PM

He gave a good interview recently about reckoning with his family’s history of Alzheimer’s. He keeps on acting to assure himself he’s still here.

MarvelFan2003 Supporter of #newdeal4animation and #kickdaman from Classified? Me too Since: Jan, 2022 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#140622: Mar 16th 2022 at 8:54:02 PM

I think that they changed Kamala's origin because her comic book origin was linked to the Inhumans, and if ''that'' series put Hawaii off the table I'm pretty sure Terrigen Mist is off too.

Besides, We Don't talk about Inhumans No, No, No

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Hawkeye86 Spirit of Battle from Classified (Searching for Spock) Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
Spirit of Battle
#140623: Mar 16th 2022 at 9:54:19 PM

I am curious how they will portray her getting her powers (I'm guessing the bracelet is Kree or at least alien to tie into Captain Marvel, but I've heard some other theories). It also goes along with the trend to seemingly not acknowledge and not directly contradict the Marvel TV shows.

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DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#140624: Mar 16th 2022 at 11:03:53 PM

I'm not surprised at them wanting to get rid of the Inhuman connection but that's not an explanation for them changing her powers outright. They could still have her gain the same Sizeshifting and polymorphing abilities through any number of other means.

I still suspect they changed her powers as some kind of way to link her more closely to Carol and Monica. That's the explanation that makes the most sense to me, even if I still don't like it.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#140625: Mar 16th 2022 at 11:13:46 PM

Yeah that makes the most sense especially if the device Kamala is using is Kree related.

It unites all 3 characters into having energy related powers.

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