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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#140576: Mar 15th 2022 at 3:44:17 PM

Speaking of the fact that in-universe the Avengers are real people.

It's funny that the alpha bitch makes fun of kamala for wearing clothes with drawings of the Avengers, even when in-universe, they were the heroes who saved the world.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#140577: Mar 15th 2022 at 3:46:55 PM

It is one thing to write that stuff in private but its another thing entirely to brag about it to the person's face.

It is pretty awkward.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 15th 2022 at 3:47:13 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#140578: Mar 15th 2022 at 3:48:47 PM

Honestly, the Avengers' reaction could range from being disgusted, to considering Actually Pretty Funny

I honestly think it can vary depending on the nature of the stories, if it's just the Avengers fighting villains in hypothetical situations, it wouldn't be that bad, and it's even cute. (Something like the fanfic that the video-game version wrote)

If she starts shipping them, it would start to be creepy.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Mar 15th 2022 at 3:53:44 AM

RAlexa21th Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer from California (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I <3 love!
Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer
#140579: Mar 15th 2022 at 3:59:50 PM

I think the main reason they (apparently) changed Kamala's powers is because they plan for an F4 movie later down the line.

Still, I think her old powers are better suited for some of her early character arcs from the comic, that she doesn't want, or need to be Carol 2.0.

Continue writing our story of peace.
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#140580: Mar 15th 2022 at 4:00:23 PM

Kamala's habit of writing what would be seen as Real Person Fic in-universe is something that was present in the comics, although if I remember it wasn't shipping fic so much as those figures going on adventures together. Not the most accurate depiction of teenage fandom culture if you asked me, but relatively harmless at least.

As for the Avengers-themed clothing, I don't really see it as much different from someone wearing shirts featuring Obama, Greta Thunberg, or Lady Gaga. I'm not the kind of person to do that personally as it reeks of idolization but it's relatively harmless and normal.

RAlexa21th Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer from California (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I <3 love!
Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer
#140581: Mar 15th 2022 at 4:01:40 PM

It's like wearing shirts with basketball stars... if those basketball stars somehow prevented a genocide.

On another note, I don't see anyone who can be identified as Bruno yet.

Edited by RAlexa21th on Mar 15th 2022 at 4:02:55 AM

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JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#140582: Mar 15th 2022 at 4:05:01 PM

In conclusion, as long as Kamala avoids Shipping, there is nothing creepy about her hobby.

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#140583: Mar 15th 2022 at 4:14:45 PM

Hopefully, she'll remain quiet about the existence of an Avengers shipping community.

Wake me up at your own risk.
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#140584: Mar 15th 2022 at 4:14:50 PM

That ship (heh) may have sailed. Kamala is wearing a shirt in the trailer that shows Carol paired with Valkyrie.

Although I guess it’s possible those characters actually will be in a relationship.

Edited by Hodor2 on Mar 15th 2022 at 6:15:39 AM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#140585: Mar 15th 2022 at 4:17:21 PM

I really hope we're not gonna get anything resembling that weird fanfiction-come-to-life thing that we saw in Euphoria, but with the Avengers.

Cause if we do, I'm dousing myself in Brain Bleach.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#140586: Mar 15th 2022 at 4:19:18 PM

[up]x5 Bruno's in the trailer, he's played by Matt Lintz.

He's the boy who is usually closest to Kamala in scenes.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#140587: Mar 15th 2022 at 4:21:49 PM

we dont talk about Bruno

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#140588: Mar 15th 2022 at 4:28:01 PM

I’m no fan of real person fic, but I presume they aren’t going to bring that up in this show because it would sound super awkward to have someone say in the show “wow Kamala, you shipping Captain America and Winter Soldier is bad because this is real life but would be totally fine if they were fictional!” They just want to spoof fanfic, not do an extensive treatise on it.

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#140589: Mar 15th 2022 at 4:29:10 PM

I think there was maybe one mention in the comics of Kamala shipping some of the Avengers but for the most part she sticks to fics of the Avengers going on adventures. Or having a crossover with the in-universe version of My Little Pony.

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#140590: Mar 15th 2022 at 4:30:47 PM

I recall one team-up with Spider-Man she mentioned pairing him with Carol and he was weirded out.

In another team-up with Wolverine she mentioned her Logan/Storm fic which he tried to shrug but he did grunt hearing that a Scott/Emma fic was even more popular than hers.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 15th 2022 at 4:35:30 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
RAlexa21th Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer from California (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I <3 love!
Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer
#140591: Mar 15th 2022 at 4:31:27 PM

Kamala did say that she shipped Carol Danvers with Peter Parker.[nja]

Edited by RAlexa21th on Mar 15th 2022 at 4:31:39 AM

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JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#140592: Mar 15th 2022 at 4:36:45 PM

It would be funny that in the No Way Home events, Spider-man fanfics have seen a huge drop in popularity, but no one remembers why.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#140593: Mar 15th 2022 at 5:26:20 PM

The pairing Peter with Carol is funny, since I recall the two did briefly date.

One Strip! One Strip!
Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#140594: Mar 15th 2022 at 5:48:03 PM

I am a little befuddled by just how much they changed Kamala's power set.

I can understand the switch to energy based powers in principle. Her power set is something that just looks a lot better on a comic page then in live action, especially on a budget the Disney+ shows can reasonably expect, and there is probably also value in to raising her "power ceiling" for the upcoming Marvels movie.

However I feel like even within those constraints, they could of at least made her powers analogous to her polymorphic abilities.

We see one shot of her creating an oversized fist around her hand, and I feel like that should be how she uses her powers 90% of the time rather then the sort of generic general purpose energy powers they seem to be going with. Maybe also give her the ability to optionally create realistic projections around herself, so she can at least mimic the visuals of what we see in the comics when she wants to.

Edited by Falrinn on Mar 15th 2022 at 5:49:40 AM

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#140595: Mar 15th 2022 at 6:46:28 PM

I hope they do include shipping, but in private. Show that shippers are seen and that there nothing wrong with it as long as you don't take it to far. I feel like it would be weird not to include it.

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#140596: Mar 15th 2022 at 7:03:02 PM

The thing with shipping is that people do that with real people in real life quite a lot, and it doesn't necessarily have to be "creepy." You hear about Ariana Grande, Justin Bieber, Kanye West, a Kardashian, Jessica Nigri, etc and "ship names" for their relationships quite a lot.

Implying that Kamala shipping people would be creepy sounds like Reality Is Unrealistic to me.

Edited by FOFD on Mar 15th 2022 at 10:06:34 AM

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#140597: Mar 15th 2022 at 7:20:49 PM

The thing with shipping is that people do that with real people in real life quite a lot, and it doesn't necessarily have to be "creepy." You hear about Ariana Grande, Justin Bieber, Kanye West, a Kardashian, Jessica Nigri, etc and "ship names" for their relationships quite a lot.

I was referring to that kind of shit, and I think it's SUPER creepy. Always.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#140598: Mar 15th 2022 at 7:40:12 PM

It is kind of weird in-context.

I wouldn't worry about it, though.

Oh God! Natural light!
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#140599: Mar 15th 2022 at 7:40:25 PM

Serious Actor Shipping is creepy though. Even and especially when the actors are a proper couple in real life.

Edited by AlleyOop on Mar 15th 2022 at 10:41:11 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#140600: Mar 15th 2022 at 7:42:17 PM

That shit happened really badly during Arrow.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 15th 2022 at 7:42:33 AM

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