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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#140551: Mar 15th 2022 at 9:09:15 AM

If it helps I think Maximus did die. Again.

The important thing is that Lockjaw is fine

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#140552: Mar 15th 2022 at 9:11:11 AM

I've been seeing a lot of chatter shoot up very recently that Kamala's new powers are because her armbands are secretly the Quantum Bands, which would make her a Composite Character with Quasar. Possibly specifically the Phyla-Vell version, given Kamala's relationship with Carol and how the MCU has for the most part glossed over the Mar-Vell legacy in order to jump straight to Carol. If true it's a change that leaves me extremely torn - it's a clever, clean, and efficient combo of multiple concepts that solves several "problems", but quite frankly I don't see them as problems and it overall just makes me feel like the character's being done dirty. It could still be executed well, but still.

Edited by Watchtower on Mar 15th 2022 at 12:12:15 PM

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#140553: Mar 15th 2022 at 9:14:46 AM

Oof. That's one way to avoid adapting LGBTQ characters. Granted, I did kind of suspect that Phylla and Moondragon were out for good, since James Gunn shot down a false casting rumor.

Also, while it's still possible, I would have thought that the MCU would connect Kamala to the Eternals. Who are kind of similar to the Inhuman Royals in terms of their general characterization and moral iffyness. And you can't convince me that Druig and Maximus are not the same character.

DoubleOG (Apprentice)
#140554: Mar 15th 2022 at 9:17:15 AM

Still don't think they changed her powers because of Mr. Fantastic...

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#140555: Mar 15th 2022 at 9:20:12 AM

Damn thats sad to think about.

Would have loved to see Phyla and Moondragon here.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#140556: Mar 15th 2022 at 9:34:43 AM

Genis-Vell and Phyla-Vell don't really have a place with Mar-Vell reduced to running straight into a Mentor Occupational Hazard for Carol's benefit. Unless you center them around Mar-Vell's death, which I doubt they would. Or jump Phyla straight into her Martyr gig, which I further doubt.

Conversely I actually think Moondragon's chances are fairly likely, if only because the MCU has clearly squeezed every drop it could out of Drax and it would make sense (at least from a long-form TV standpoint) to kill him off and have her replace him.

[up][up] If the Quasar thing is legit then I'm increasingly suspecting that changing her powers has nothing to do with actually making them work or distinct. If the goal is to turn Kamala into Quasar (to match more closely power-wise with Carol and Monica) then they're simply sacrificing her shapeshifting to facilitate that.

Edited by Watchtower on Mar 15th 2022 at 12:36:01 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#140557: Mar 15th 2022 at 9:44:49 AM

It is darkly funny.

Like Mar-Vell himself has a decent legacy and is responsible for the creation of several well liked characters like Phyla, but the MCU pretty much sanded off the majority of his traits to the point the final character is borderline unrecognizable.

I get why of course, they didn't Carol to attribute any part of her origin to a man but at the same time a bit short sided as it means they can't really adapt some characters like Phyla and Hulkling without some changes.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#140558: Mar 15th 2022 at 9:53:53 AM

I do wonder if at least part of it might be difficulty in getting stretchy effects that look good on a TV budget. It would be easy to get the wrong kind of cartoony I would think.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#140559: Mar 15th 2022 at 9:55:03 AM

[up][up]

I don't really see why the female Mar-vell couldn't have the same Summers Family Tree as the male comics character.

Like she could have hooked up with a Skrull at some point and have different Kree and Krull relatives/"in-laws", some good, some bad.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#140560: Mar 15th 2022 at 9:59:30 AM

That’s the adaptation game

Comics are so densely complicated over decades that sanding off is just going to happen one place or another place.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#140561: Mar 15th 2022 at 10:02:30 AM

[up][up] That is true, her being women isn’t necessarily a problem.

The bigger issue is the loss of “rep”. Cause the “legacy of Mar-Vell” is a major part of these characters origins. His status as the greatest warrior to ever come out of the Kree and thus it’s greatest enemy at the time time is why the empire gives a damn over his children. It’s why they have attempted to clone him several times.

Cause they want to control him. If Hulkling was just the son of a nobody Kree and Skrull Princess they wouldn’t care, they would just assassinate him prolly. But it’s the fact he’s also Mar-Vell’s son makes him a figure to be controlled than killed off.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 15th 2022 at 10:02:39 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#140562: Mar 15th 2022 at 10:12:51 AM

Something I'm curious about is how they'll factor the Snap into Kamala's characterization. Do you think they'll do the same thing they did with Spider-Man, that she got Snapped and everyone close to her conveniently did as well?

'Cause, if not, one of two things would have to be true of Kamala. Either she spent a good chunk of her formative years in the post-Snap world, where things are going to hell, everyone's traumatized, and half the people she knows are dead. Or she got Snapped herself, and Blipped back into a world where her friends and family are all five years older and have spent that time thinking she's dead.

Either of those would be a hella traumatic addition to her backstory.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#140563: Mar 15th 2022 at 10:17:31 AM

I hope they don't use Mar-Vell's Gender Flip and early death as an excuse not to adapt Hulkling into their seemingly inevitable Young Avengers adaptation.

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#140564: Mar 15th 2022 at 10:25:48 AM

Hulkling is still very much doable. Mar-Vell clearly spent some time on Earth directly helping Skrulls...flip a couple things around but who's to say she didn't have children in that time? Sure MCU Mar-Vell isn't the legendary hero the comics version is but Hulkling's heirdom was always more Chosen One sorta stuff anyway.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#140565: Mar 15th 2022 at 10:36:36 AM

He is the King of Space after all

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#140566: Mar 15th 2022 at 11:24:30 AM

Ugh

King of two galaxies.

OUT OF TWO TRILLION.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#140567: Mar 15th 2022 at 1:28:22 PM

I don't see why they can't say that Mar'vell was important to the Kree before going AWOL. The only reason she's not discussed at length by the Kree in Captain Marvel is because they're purposefully keeping Carol in the dark.

Of course Mar'Vell would have to have been a hero scientist rather than a hero soilder, but that works.

Okay okay Ms Marvel.

Well it's all really rather different. Her powers look pretty, and I imagine they just couldn't get the rubber power to look good on their budget. The power coming from her family's bangle... Hmmm... I guess it ties the narrative closer to her family, yes, but gosh if she hasn't got any superhuman heritage that makes the inhuman starter villain who thinks he should inherit the earth less likely to work, unless he's also inherited a super bangle from his family.

The tone looks good, though I don't like them selling Kamala as a hoofer when in the comic she's a massive try hard who often tries hard about goofy things.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#140568: Mar 15th 2022 at 1:31:05 PM

Surprised they're adapting Kamran this early considering how heavily his storyline ties into that of the Inhumans. Unless they're using this show as a backdoor to introduce the mutants of all things.

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#140569: Mar 15th 2022 at 2:06:37 PM

Kamala doesn't have a strong relationship with mutants besides Cyclops. I don't even expect mutants until Deadpool at the earliest.

Just Makima.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#140570: Mar 15th 2022 at 2:42:19 PM

She had a Wolverine team up because everyone gets one

He was mortified when she talked about fanfiction she wrote about him and Storm fighting cosmic weirdery

Also I wish that not everything was used to speculate that the mutants are coming for real THIS time

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JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#140571: Mar 15th 2022 at 3:35:37 PM

It would make me laugh how it would be if kamala wrote a slash-fic with Sam and Bucky as protagonists.

  • Bucky: I just want to make it clear that I'm not gay.
  • Kamala: I don't think you are, in fact this version of Bucky is only gay for the purpose of the story I was writing. Also, I am writing another fan-fic in which you are a woman.
  • Bucky: I understand, but even if I were gay or female, Sam would be the last person I would look at romantically.
  • kamala: Really?, because it seems to me that you two have chemistry.
  • Bucky: The last person, I said.
  • kamala (Thinking): Tsundere classic.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Mar 15th 2022 at 3:36:07 AM

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#140572: Mar 15th 2022 at 3:39:14 PM

[up][up] He was also upset that her Scott x Emma fanfic was higher ranked.

Wake me up at your own risk.
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#140573: Mar 15th 2022 at 3:39:44 PM

writiing fan fiction of real people is just

aaaaaaaaaaaaaa

-Cringes-

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#140574: Mar 15th 2022 at 3:41:43 PM

Well she is a teenager, they are really cringe.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#140575: Mar 15th 2022 at 3:41:50 PM

Yeah, I really dislike fanfiction about real people, I think it's really creepy, so I'm not looking forward to Kamala having that as a hobby.


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