TVTropes Now available in the app store!
Open

Follow TV Tropes

Following

Marvel Cinematic Universe

Go To

Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! This pinned post is here to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

  • This thread is for talking about the live-action films, TV shows, animated works, and related content that use the Marvel brand, currently owned by Disney.
  • While mild digressions are okay, discussion of the comic books should go in this thread. Extended digressions may be thumped as off-topic.
  • Spoilers for new releases should not be discussed without spoiler tagging for at least two weeks. Rather, each title should have a dedicated thread where that sort of conversation is held. We can mention new releases in a general sense, but please be courteous to people who don't want to be spoiled.

If you're posting tagged spoilers, make sure that the film or series is clearly identified outside the spoiler tagging. People need to know what will be spoiled before they choose to read the post.

    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Hawkeye86 Spirit of Battle from Classified (Searching for Spock) Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
Spirit of Battle
#140526: Mar 13th 2022 at 5:36:53 PM

RIP William Hurt

You and I remember Budapest very differently
Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#140527: Mar 13th 2022 at 5:38:21 PM

[up][up][up] People have brought up the joke before and ironically Elliot was actually significantly more into Brokeback Mountain back when it came out. Part of that discrepancy is probably him not fully understanding either movie though it's most likely that he, a staunch conservative, has been radicalized by cancel culture rhetoric in the years since and now wouldn't like Brokeback anymore for similar reasons.

But I digress.

RIP to Hurt. I recall commentary of him looking sickly in his brief parts in Black Widow but I dunno if anyone had any bigger awareness as to his health and this illuminates a lot in hindsight. Solid actor that unfortunately was such an auxiliary part of the MCU because of it not digging into the Hulk mythos until seemingly now. Not that I was chomping at the bit for Red Hulk or anything but it'll be interesting to see how they address the lack of that General Ripper staple.

Edited by Watchtower on Mar 13th 2022 at 9:38:44 AM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#140528: Mar 13th 2022 at 6:12:56 PM

I think you meant auxiliary. Ancillary is the antonym of that.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#140530: Mar 13th 2022 at 7:02:29 PM

@Watchtower - I can't find a site for it (beyond the fact that he made a campaign ad for Joe Biden) but my understanding is that Elliot actually has liberal, kind of hippy-ish politics. Which of course is not at all a bar to also being homophobic.

Regarding William Hurt, I will say rest in peace, but he was credibly accused of rape and other abuse by his former girlfriend Marlee Matlin. And the article also notes that Hurt was accused of abuse by another former girlfriend.

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#140531: Mar 13th 2022 at 8:16:57 PM

Oof. Well then. That's a distressing reminder.

Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#140532: Mar 15th 2022 at 7:09:48 AM

[up] Yup, I feel like my feelings and grief got splashed with a bucket of ice-cold water. sad


Changing the subject!

EMBIGGEN! Because we have our first true trailer to Ms. Marvel!

The series is coming June 8th, 2022!

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Mar 15th 2022 at 10:28:32 AM

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#140533: Mar 15th 2022 at 7:14:12 AM

This shows a lot of promise. It helps that Kamala is immediately more likable than Carol.

The legend has returned.
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#140534: Mar 15th 2022 at 7:26:10 AM

[up] Right? I even paused my aggravation towards Disney over the "Don't Say Gay" bill note  just because it's Kamala.

Plus, the caption bubbles and editing are giving me Into the Spider-Verse flashbacks.

Speaking of flashbacks, obligatory reference to a comic book cover! (In both the last shot of the trailer and the poster, Kamala sits on the top of a lamppost a la Ms. Marvel #5 from the 2014 run.)

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Mar 15th 2022 at 10:27:49 AM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#140535: Mar 15th 2022 at 7:50:10 AM

Eh, I dunno. This trailer is sort of leaning into my fear that this series will be a stereotypical high school comedy mixed with okay action, except with a healthy dose "lol we totally get Gen Z humor!" kind of vibe.

And while I have no hate towards the actress (especially since she's a fellow Canadian), Kamala is leaning too much into the Loony Fan for my taste.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#140536: Mar 15th 2022 at 7:53:55 AM

Nothing Inhuman related tells me that part of Kamala won't be happening.

Just Makima.
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#140537: Mar 15th 2022 at 8:16:46 AM

[up] Feige and the other higher-ups don't seem to want to touch anything Inhuman related with a ten-foot pole, so that's not surprising.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#140538: Mar 15th 2022 at 8:22:32 AM

Inhumans are basically dead.

Permulter killed them, and everyone MCU related is content to leave them that way.

At least MCU wise. We're supposed to have reached the point in comics when they'd be coming back.

One Strip! One Strip!
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#140539: Mar 15th 2022 at 8:24:49 AM

The Royal Family is around, it's the idea of using Inhumanity as their source of "suddenly, superpowers" origins that is pretty dead. So, they won't be off-brand mutants anymore, it seems.

Edited by Blueace on Mar 15th 2022 at 12:27:06 PM

Wake me up at your own risk.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#140540: Mar 15th 2022 at 8:29:40 AM

Yeah. All the Nu-humans got killed off (except Kamala and Moon-Girl if Moon Girl is even an Inhuman), but that's kinda unfair.

They did absolutely nothing wrong besides existing during the entire Inhumans are the new X-Men thing. They shouldn't pay the price for a stupid marketing push.

I don't hate the Royal Family (even if they have done some really shady shit) but honestly, they're the ones who should have died. I'm pretty sure Inhumanity and all that came from it was their fault somehow.

Feel free to correct me on that.

One Strip! One Strip!
Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#140541: Mar 15th 2022 at 8:35:40 AM

Agreed. The X Men were still being pushed despite the surge of Inhumans, but the one two punch of X Men "ban" and horrible Inhumans content IVX and the show sealed their fate.

Just Makima.
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#140542: Mar 15th 2022 at 8:46:21 AM

I'm seeing a lot of discourse online about Kamala's Adaptational Superpower Change. Long-time fans of the character seem to hate it while people who are just learning about her don't see what the problem is.

For me, it seems to line up more with Monica and Carol's powers, which kind of makes sense aesthetically. Otherwise, I have no strong feelings on it. Anyone else have thoughts?

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#140543: Mar 15th 2022 at 8:50:59 AM

If its her primary superpower like spiderman's web slingers then it makes zero sense not to have it?

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#140544: Mar 15th 2022 at 8:51:08 AM

I mean, I'm certainly not thrilled about it. I really like her original powerset and this new one feels... weird. I will admit it's mostly because I don't love change [lol]. But also it doesn't help that I can't recall any other MCU character that an Adaptational Superpower Change happened to (besides Wanda at first but that ended up changing to being more comic accurate eventually anyway).

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#140545: Mar 15th 2022 at 8:52:33 AM

The stretchy powers worked very well with Kamala's character, and it seems like they're doing it so she doesn't step on Mr. Fantastic's toes, and that's lame. The guy doesn't even exist yet.

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#140546: Mar 15th 2022 at 8:54:34 AM

And, besides, we have how many MCU characters who can blast energy from their hands, for instance? Overlapping powersets happen, I don't see why that's such a problem that needed to be avoided.

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#140547: Mar 15th 2022 at 8:56:04 AM

I don't love the power change but I'm keeping an open mind.

While I could take or leave the Inhumans, I kind of liked the "mass empowering" aspect of Kamala's powers. It also seemed to me that there was sort of a metaphor connecting being an Inhuman to immigrants who were "big" in the old country but have a lowly status in the new one.

I mainly got this sense because of how the character Kamran's mundane superiority complex very neatly translates into being a mutant Inhuman suppremacist.

And conversely, Kamala feels pride in her various identities but that feeling translates towards heroism.

And I also suppose that in light of what both the Kree and Inhumans (the Royal family ones) are like, it also makes Kamala a downplayed case of Bad Powers, Good People.

Edited by Hodor2 on Mar 15th 2022 at 10:58:27 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#140548: Mar 15th 2022 at 8:58:02 AM

I my myself am also mixed about it.

Like I get if it's to unify her origin with Carol but still I tend to be against these changes on principle.

Everything else looks pretty good at least. Wonder who the villains are.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 15th 2022 at 8:58:33 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#140549: Mar 15th 2022 at 8:59:24 AM

There was still good Inhuman content being done during the push too. I've heard great things about the Karnak mini and pretty good things about the Black Bolt one as well.

The problem is fucking with the X-Men. That fanbase does not appreciate that corner being fucked with, especially the part that really identifies with mutants as a metaphor for oppressed minorities. Meanwhile as messed up as the Inhuman Royal Family can be they do deserve to still have their corner precisely because of how Game of Thrones messy it can all be and how that flavors the Marvel universe.

And I know it can work to acclaim because "messy kingdom on a foundation of cracking glass" is pretty much what's going on with Krakoa and THANK GOD NO ONE YELLS AT ME ANYMORE FOR MAKING THE COMPARISON. [lol]

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#140550: Mar 15th 2022 at 9:08:45 AM

In terms of fights and flashiness, I’m sure her powers will be creative.

In terms of story I’m uncertain. An early subplot in the comic is that Kamala has such poor self-esteem, having grown up in a culture that barely values girls if they’re not white and blonde, that she initially shapeshifts her superhero identity to look just like Carol Danvers, until she gains the confidence to appear as herself. It’s pretty direct, but arguably necessarily so. Perhaps there might be logistics problems with filming such a thing as it might necessitate having Brie Larson show up constantly as Kamala’s guise (probably just for one episode though). But the story might lack something without it, and I’m not sure the possible substitute seemingly in set photos of her just wearing a Captain Marvel costume is enough to convey her issues.


Total posts: 186,763
Top