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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#140501: Mar 13th 2022 at 2:00:20 PM

Speaking of the Rosses, sad news today: reports are coming in that William Hurt (actor who plays Gen. Thaddeus "Thunderbolt" Ross) has died.

[down]Thank you for the source.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Mar 13th 2022 at 6:11:09 AM

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#140502: Mar 13th 2022 at 2:08:47 PM

For an actual source. Apparently he had been struggling with prostate cancer since 2018 and that's the likely cause of his death.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#140503: Mar 13th 2022 at 2:11:44 PM

Aw man. That's really sad. He was really good both as Thunderbolt Ross, and as Chris McCandless's father in Into the Wild amongst other things.

May he rest in peace, and I wish the best for his family.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Mar 13th 2022 at 3:12:04 AM

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#140504: Mar 13th 2022 at 2:16:43 PM

Yeah that sucks :/

Wonder if that means that Ross will die offscreen or be recasted.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#140505: Mar 13th 2022 at 2:19:33 PM

Ross seems like he'll be dead offscreen.

The legend has returned.
AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
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#140506: Mar 13th 2022 at 2:21:08 PM

Aw, shucks.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#140507: Mar 13th 2022 at 2:21:19 PM

Thunderbolt Ross was never that big if a character, so I wouldn't be surprised if The Character Died with Him.

Though I guess this means if the Thunderbolts ends up happening, it'll be named in the character's honor, rather than being under his command.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#140508: Mar 13th 2022 at 2:30:53 PM

Remind me, was the character slated to appear in any upcoming projects?

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Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#140509: Mar 13th 2022 at 2:34:06 PM

It was rumored that he was going to appear in She-Hulk and Secret Invasion.

RIP

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#140510: Mar 13th 2022 at 2:34:22 PM

That's... a real shame.

Ross was never that big of a character in the MCU, but only because we were almost never allowed to get Hulk mythos stuff before. So it really stinks that just as we're on the cusp of getting Hulk stuff the tv medium, the actor for one of Hulk's archenemies dies.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#140511: Mar 13th 2022 at 2:36:01 PM

Damn no Red Hulk then.

May he turn into Red Hulk in the afterlife.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#140512: Mar 13th 2022 at 2:47:49 PM

I feel like the character will pass away with the actor here and any plans for Ross will be slotted in some substitute. The comics have plenty: Glenn Talbot, John Ryker and Reginald Fortean all fulfilled the General Ripper archetype of Ross some time or another. Talbot was also in AOS, but there's 0 doubt in my mind they will finish off making AOS non-canon (or a alternate reality at best).

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#140513: Mar 13th 2022 at 2:56:19 PM

Sad to hear. Hurt was a great actor with a lot of great works to his name. May he rest in peace.

It was rumored that he was going to appear in She-Hulk and Secret Invasion.

If he does show up in She-Hulk, his scene might have been filmed already.

Edited by Cortez on Mar 13th 2022 at 12:15:53 PM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#140514: Mar 13th 2022 at 3:27:20 PM

I'm not too keen on Red Hulk tbh.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#140515: Mar 13th 2022 at 3:38:19 PM

Goddamn about William Hurt. R.I.P. sad

Damn no Red Hulk then.

Well, not quite. They could always use Robert Maverick, a Red Hulk created by Al Ewing for U.S.Avengers because Ross was off-limits at the time. (I think.)

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Mar 13th 2022 at 6:38:41 AM

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#140516: Mar 13th 2022 at 3:57:50 PM

edit: nevermind.

Edited by Cortez on Mar 13th 2022 at 7:23:51 AM

dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#140517: Mar 13th 2022 at 4:05:58 PM

His health problems were very much on display in his limited screentime in Black Widow.

And they were around for a long time. I think I recall them almost replacing Hurt with Bryan Cranston for Civil War (probably a good thing they didn't, otherwise Wanda might wonder why he looks so much like Hal).

As for What If...?, well, in the episodes where Ross had speaking parts, they used Michael Patrick McGill to voice him.

Edited by dmcreif on Mar 13th 2022 at 7:09:06 AM

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#140518: Mar 13th 2022 at 4:09:34 PM

[up][up] Don't see why? I already expressed my sadness in this post, where I even wondered what the fate of Ross would be now.

I'm not too keen on Red Hulk because I never liked the direction Loeb took the character to with this move. I prefer the General as he was originally.

Edited by Forenperser on Mar 13th 2022 at 12:12:01 PM

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#140519: Mar 13th 2022 at 4:10:31 PM

[up]×2

Do you mean this concept art with Cranston as Ross?

[up]

I misunderstood what you meant nevermind.

I'm not too keen on Red Hulk because I never liked the direction Loeb took the character to with this move.

I liked the direction Jeff Parker took it though. His run gave us Fortean too.

Edited by Cortez on Mar 13th 2022 at 7:23:25 AM

gjjones Musician/Composer from South Wales, New York Since: Jul, 2016
Musician/Composer
#140520: Mar 13th 2022 at 4:36:05 PM

Given that Sam Elliott portrayed Ross in the 2003 Hulk adaptation directed by Ang Lee, do you think he will reprise his role in the MCU if Disney/Marvel does recast the character?

Edited by gjjones on Mar 13th 2022 at 7:39:02 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#140522: Mar 13th 2022 at 4:49:02 PM

Mr. Cowboy there is being pissy over a cowboy movie with a Big Bad cowboy

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#140523: Mar 13th 2022 at 4:53:45 PM

RIP Hurt.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#140524: Mar 13th 2022 at 5:12:04 PM

He probably no fan of Brokeback Mountain either

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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#140525: Mar 13th 2022 at 5:28:54 PM

RIP Hurt. Man, that is so sad. They never really gave Ross a chance to shine beyond The Incredible Hulk film.

Edited by Bullman on Mar 13th 2022 at 7:29:23 AM

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