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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#140376: Mar 1st 2022 at 11:33:00 AM

Jessica Jones I'd argue needed its r-rating for its central theme of rape, but I also see no real need to continue with JJ. She doesn't exactly have a wealth of stories to draw from, which is one of the reasons the show really spun off its axis past season 1 (a similar predicament befalling her in the comics).

Daredevil might actually work as a PG-14 alright, even if that would feel like a downgrade.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#140377: Mar 1st 2022 at 11:34:45 AM

Amusingly Jess might be in a better place now as she could now visibly be a detective of superheroes and superhumans.

Could make for some fun stuff.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#140378: Mar 1st 2022 at 11:37:41 AM

[up][up] Well, if the rumors of Matt Murdock appearing in She-Hulk are true, Marvel might already be experimenting with that idea.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#140379: Mar 1st 2022 at 11:44:53 AM

If Jessica returns to the MCU I’d like to see her team up with Kate Bishop. Their friendship in the comics is really funny and sweet.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#140380: Mar 1st 2022 at 11:56:24 AM

[up] I think that niche might be filled out by Yelena Belova at the moment, but I wouldn't mind seeing that.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#140381: Mar 1st 2022 at 11:59:10 AM

Jessica and Frank were the only 2 of the Netflix bunch who had satisfying conclusions to their respective series.

Daredevil would've ended kinda fine, if not for The Stinger, while the endings of Iron Fist and particularly Luke Cage still make me mad to this very day.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#140382: Mar 1st 2022 at 12:01:24 PM

[up] I thought Iron Fist in general made everyone mad. Or at least frustrated.

Didn't know the ending to Luke Cage was controversial either. I just thought everyone liked it overall.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#140383: Mar 1st 2022 at 12:04:12 PM

[up] Iron Fist Season 2 at least had several steps into the right direction, it was a great improvement, even though it wasn't perfect.

Yeah, Luke Cage Season 2 ended on a massive cliffhanger that was never resolved. It was really annoying.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#140384: Mar 1st 2022 at 12:09:35 PM

[up](x4)Well Yelena isn’t really a mentor and Kate and Jessica have never fought.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#140385: Mar 1st 2022 at 12:15:14 PM

[up] Oh, Jessica's a mentor for Kate? Well then yeah, that probably won't work then.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#140386: Mar 1st 2022 at 12:17:23 PM

To be clear, the reason Iron Fist and Luke Cage's second season endings make people mad isn't because the endings are bad or controversial, it's because they're really good cliffhangers of seasons yet to come.

Luke Cage's second season ends with him in charge of Harlem's Paradise, the de facto "King of Harlem", and starting to go down a dark path that may end with him becoming just like the gangsters he opposed. Also a secondary character going down her own path toward becoming the villain Nightshade. Iron Fist's ends with a flash-forward to several months later with Colleen Wing now wielding the Iron Fist to protect New York, and Danny and Ward on a road trip in Asia trying to track down a mysterious man named Orson Randall, with Danny wielding chi-powered guns somehow.

Both promised big third seasons, and then those seasons never came because of the cancellations.

Anyway, the shows coming to Disney+ is good. And once again, to anybody who said they'd let Punisher and Iron Fist disappear into the ether, I win, haha-ha-haha!

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Mar 1st 2022 at 3:20:11 PM

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Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#140387: Mar 1st 2022 at 1:06:02 PM

They haven't seen the last of Danny Rand. The Immortal Iron Fist. Sworn Protector of Kung Lao, and enemy of The Hand.

Edited by Mizerous on Mar 1st 2022 at 4:06:26 AM

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#140388: Mar 1st 2022 at 1:07:10 PM

K'un-Lun. Kung Lao is from Mortal Kombat (and given his hat is a fucking buzzsaw, I don't imagine he needs protection).

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#140389: Mar 1st 2022 at 1:13:39 PM

I haven't watched IF but I wouldn't mind averting the ending there so Danny actually gets his powers back.

The benefits of a soft reboot, he can molded into a better character especially since he no longer has to be tied down by the Netflix grittiness.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 1st 2022 at 1:22:57 AM

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lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#140390: Mar 1st 2022 at 1:21:50 PM

I've seen people speculate he might be part of Shang-Chi 2.

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Pet Owner
#140391: Mar 1st 2022 at 1:25:24 PM

That would be neat a little brawl with those two sounds fun.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#140392: Mar 1st 2022 at 1:27:37 PM

Shang-Chi could definitely use IF's fellow Immortal Weapons if the franchise is going to stick to this more Wuxia take on the character.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#140393: Mar 1st 2022 at 1:30:18 PM

The current Shang-Chi comics have added a decent setting to the character in the form of the weapons society.

So like sword guy, hammer woman, staff girl. Its pretty simple but it works.

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Funny but not helpful
#140394: Mar 1st 2022 at 1:32:28 PM

Sister Dagger particularly is hilarious

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#140395: Mar 1st 2022 at 1:37:19 PM

And Sister Hammer unleashed an army of jiangshi powered by her own grudges in London.

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Kiobi20 Since: Sep, 2016
#140396: Mar 1st 2022 at 4:53:46 PM

If the defenders return as series I think they would be better on star or Hulu so they can retain their mature tone.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#140397: Mar 1st 2022 at 4:55:38 PM

Well, they're coming to Disney+ as-is, so maybe tone isn't an issue.

They just might need to advertise them a little differently from the "Hey, young impressionable kids, watch this show 'cuz your favorite movie heroes are in it!"

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#140398: Mar 1st 2022 at 5:15:46 PM

[up] Disney+ already has a parental control scheme in some markets, so they'll probably just enable it universally.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#140399: Mar 1st 2022 at 5:46:54 PM

In the distance I can faintly hear Hillary Duff and Dana Terrace urgently calling Disney, demanding their shows uncancelled over “not fitting the brand”.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Mar 1st 2022 at 5:47:51 AM

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#140400: Mar 1st 2022 at 5:49:45 PM

but I also see no real need to continue with JJ

I disagree and she had had other good stories beyond the one with the Purple Man.

And since now she can interact with the wider Marvel Universe, that actually opens up more possibilities for her.


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