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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#140326: Feb 26th 2022 at 10:13:11 AM

I love Bird Man sans bird from her book.

Just Makima.
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#140327: Feb 26th 2022 at 10:16:15 AM

The Inventor's whole thing is that "Teenagers have no value, but perhaps I can invent something that can exploit value out of them!" Which is so amazingly whackadoodle.

I also have a big soft spot for Doc.X just a World of Warcraft expy virus that gained sentience and then eventually got themselves a robot teenaged girl body.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#140328: Feb 26th 2022 at 10:43:48 AM

You guys are all flexing with your comic book knowledge, meanwhile I only remember a few villains because I barely read Marvel as a kid, lol.

Off the top of my head I remember Venom, Radioactive Man, the Green Goblin, some woman dressed up like the rabbit from Alice in Wonderland and a weird foreign exchange student friend of Peter Parker's who was actually a robot-like thing sent to kill the Fantastic Four.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#140329: Feb 26th 2022 at 11:05:11 AM

I only have one shelf of Marvel Comics, which is considered a feeble collection amongst my friends.

The majority of my marvel knowlage just comes from gossiping with other marvel fans.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#140330: Feb 26th 2022 at 11:28:19 AM

[up] At least you had a shelf. I'm pretty sure I only picked up one book that was a mashup of various stories, most of them focused on Spider-Man.

The shelves of comics I had were of Tintin and Asterix. And no, I'm not European.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#140331: Feb 26th 2022 at 11:50:27 AM

Ooooh, that's good taste. I think those books where my primary reason for visiting my village library as a child.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#140332: Feb 26th 2022 at 1:52:53 PM

The Inventor was like something out of Doom Patrol - "insane, possibly immortal man with a bird for a head who claims to be the actual Thomas Edison plugging teenagers into his whackadoo machine" - it was so insane that who knows if Marvel Studios will acknowledge him. I hope they do, though.

I'm expecting them to go the Evil Counterpart route and have the villain of the series be Rebecca St. Jude.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 26th 2022 at 1:53:09 AM

EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#140333: Feb 26th 2022 at 1:55:18 PM

I hope to god that the Inventor is the big bad, but I’m pretty sure someone’s already been casted as Kamran (the evil inhuman boyfriend).

Edit: Checked Wikipedia, Rish Shah is the actor.

Edited by EmeraldEmperor on Feb 26th 2022 at 4:56:46 AM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#140334: Feb 26th 2022 at 2:25:46 PM

Oh well if Kamren has been cast that makes Kamala being Inhuman all the more likely.

Huh, it occours to me that what we've seen of MCU Kamala's powers has a similar asethtic to Kamren's powers.

Kamala seems to be able to make enegery projections with a fluorescent scene, and in the comics Kamren's super form has a similar floresant sheen.

Meistro2021 Since: Jul, 2021
#140335: Feb 26th 2022 at 2:34:03 PM

I am wondering, will there be any possibility on seeing the MCU X-Men, MCU Deadpool, and the MCU Fantastic Four.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#140336: Feb 26th 2022 at 2:55:30 PM

Thinking about it Kamala doesn't have that many distinctive rogues yet.

Inventor is the best by virtue of how batshit insane he is but they will most likely just go with the simpler ones like Becky St. Jude and Kamren.

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#140337: Feb 26th 2022 at 2:56:29 PM

The FF are already confirmed to have a movie on the works. But still no sign of what they plan to do with the mutants or Deadpool, really.

Wake me up at your own risk.
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#140338: Feb 26th 2022 at 3:00:12 PM

They have already changed Kamala's power, so there's a pretty fair chance that her comic book origin will also be changed

I don't know if they'll go that far.

Thinking about it Kamala doesn't have that many distinctive rogues yet.

She does have a few though. Though i wonder who should be the first in the show.

Edited by Cortez on Feb 26th 2022 at 7:18:45 AM

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#140339: Feb 26th 2022 at 3:50:13 PM

[up][up]All we know about Deadpool is that Ryan Reynolds is still playing him, and the new movie has some Bob's Burgers writers also attached to it.

Edited by lbssb on Feb 26th 2022 at 3:50:28 AM

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#140340: Feb 27th 2022 at 8:10:10 AM

I am wondering, will there be any possibility on seeing the MCU X-Men, MCU Deadpool, and the MCU Fantastic Four.

Folks before me already responded to some of this, but here's one that should be more to-the-point:

  • We know the Fantastic Four are coming to the MCU because of an announcement from a previous year with Jon Watts directing.
  • X-Men in the MCU is still not really brought up, but given that we're due to see a Professor X variant in Multiverse of Madness, the wait shouldn't be too long.
  • We also know there will be a third Deadpool movie. We know it will be in the MCU. And we know it will be rated R as God intended. (Actually, given how WB has been playing around with R-rated DCEU projects and the positive buzz going on some certain cameos in the last episode of Peacemaker, it might not be improbable that Marvel might want to play around with it as well eventually.)

I mean, we could argue that Deadpool technically popped up in the MCU already via that Free Guy trailer reaction guest-featuring Korg, but that was most likely just for laughs.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Feb 27th 2022 at 11:53:23 AM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#140341: Feb 27th 2022 at 8:37:55 AM

I doubt they'd do it, but I think it would be cool if they brought back some of the Netflix characters for Deadpool 3. It'd be particularly cool to see Wade duke it out with Frank Castle or Luke Cage. And since it's rated R...

Edited by MatthewWayne on Feb 27th 2022 at 8:38:08 AM

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#140342: Feb 27th 2022 at 8:45:27 AM

The Heroes for Hire and Deadpool both Working the Same Case (they are, after all, both mercenaries) would be an easy way to work them in. They could fulfill a similar purpose as Colossus and Negasonic Teenage Warhead in the first one: the more traditionally heroic pair in contrast to Deadpool's anti-heroism (just significantly less squeaky clean and with 0 desire to recruit Deadpoool).

Edited by Gaon on Feb 27th 2022 at 8:45:36 AM

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Prowler I'm here for our date, Rose! Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
I'm here for our date, Rose!
#140343: Feb 27th 2022 at 8:52:45 AM

[up][up] I'd say that in this hypothetical scenario, they would probably have to recast Bernthal. He doesn't want his Punisher getting goofed on.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#140344: Feb 27th 2022 at 9:08:05 AM

[up] I don't think recasting Jon Bernthal is necessary. There've been serious characters in the Deadpool movies before, and I'm sure Frank Castle can be another one of those guys if he were to appear in 3. Plus, the Netflix fandom would have Feige's head if he recast any of the Netflix heroes, especially the Punisher.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#140345: Feb 27th 2022 at 9:10:38 AM

I like Bernthal's take on the character alright but I'm nowhere near as attached to it as I am with Cox's Daredevil, Ritter's Jessica Jones or Colter's Luke Cage.

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Funny but not helpful
#140346: Feb 27th 2022 at 9:15:10 AM

If you don’t want to be goofed on you probably shouldn’t play the Punisher

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#140347: Feb 27th 2022 at 10:20:59 AM

I'd argue the opposite, that Bernthal is as essential to get back as Cox and D'Onofrio.

And if you look back at his interview on it he never says anything about PG-13. He just wants the character to be done right and with respect, which I think can be satisfactorily done in both PG-13 and goofier movies - I'd argue Cable in Deadpool 2 is a good example of such. And quite frankly it'd be a missed opportunity not doing at least some of the sillier Punisher stuff (gimme his Battle Van dammit).

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#140348: Feb 27th 2022 at 10:32:37 AM

I agree on doing silly Punisher stuff in live action. Don't think they'll do that one arc where he turns himself into a black guy though.

Yes, that happened and it was weird. Not as weird as Frankencastle, though, which I do hope to see in some form.

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I'm here for our date, Rose!
#140349: Feb 27th 2022 at 10:48:40 AM

I'm not going to lie, for all the love his runs got, I much prefer Punisher with a bit of comic book silliness compared to "cut yourself on the edginess" Garth Ennis. MAX seemed fresh at first, but got very tiresome for me after a point, even taking into account some successful humorous bits. Ever since his run started, Punisher stuff always seems to lean towards something like his approach, except War Zone, which I frankly love as a stupid-ass Commando-style murderfest. I would welcome the pendulum swinging in the other direction a bit.

That said, the character has increasingly wretched connotations now, so I don't think that's going to happen.

Edited by Prowler on Feb 27th 2022 at 11:50:27 AM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#140350: Feb 27th 2022 at 11:14:55 AM

I think the main roots of the character should stay grounded and gritty, but there is no harm in doing an occasional, goofy crossover.

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