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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#140301: Feb 24th 2022 at 9:25:51 AM

We all go to Hawaii.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#140302: Feb 24th 2022 at 9:41:43 AM

Honestly, I don't think anyone will complain if Inhumans is explicitly shunted off into another universe. It's the one show no one will stand up for.

That said, do you think we'll be seeing an Inhumans renaissance if the rumor turns out to be true? You know, people saying "oh, it's not that bad" like with TASM2? I mean, TASM2 is nowhere near as bad, so I hope people aren't so sucked up in the hype vacuum as to praise what is a literal garbage heap just because it featured in the latest movie, but fans can be dumb. I don't have much faith.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#140303: Feb 24th 2022 at 10:27:48 AM

I would honestly like to see Anson Mount back as Black Bolt, though. I've often described Inhumans as a shakesperean tragedy about an actor desperately trying to put the best Black Bolt performance he could in the worst show ever made.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#140304: Feb 24th 2022 at 10:31:51 AM

And Lockjaw could easily return, seeing as he's a CGI character.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#140305: Feb 24th 2022 at 11:57:06 AM

Inhumans was a total abortion of a show that made Iron Fist Season 1 look like a masterpiece. But hey, if a genius like Sam Raimi thinks something can be salvaged, why not give it a try? My personal opinion of the Inhuman Royal Family however is similarly low as the opinion that many around here have about Frank Castle. If they bring them back, they better call them out in-universe for their absolutely shitty behaviour and not treat them like heroes, like in the show.

Edited by Forenperser on Feb 24th 2022 at 8:57:23 PM

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#140306: Feb 24th 2022 at 1:45:19 PM

Doesn't Mount have that new Star Trek show? There might be scheduling conflicts.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#140307: Feb 24th 2022 at 2:40:53 PM

Honestly, I don't see the Inhumans making an appearance on this show. With the whole thing about not shooting new projects in Hawaii, on top of that controversial change to Kamala Khan's powerset, it still seems that Marvel wants to keep themselves as far away from that show as possible.

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EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#140308: Feb 24th 2022 at 3:05:54 PM

We're not talking about Ms. Marvel, we're talking about the rumor Black Bolt will be part of the Illuminati.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#140309: Feb 24th 2022 at 6:44:08 PM

[up] It's related though. If (and granted it's a big if, but if) Marvel really changed her powers to avoid connections to the Inhumans, why would they have someone related to them have a seat on the Illuminati council?

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EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#140310: Feb 24th 2022 at 6:49:54 PM

Because it’s in another universe, therefore allowing for a quick, fun reference to the comics that doesn’t need to have a massive impact on the world-building and can be ignored going forward.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#140311: Feb 24th 2022 at 6:51:22 PM

[up][up] They would if their reason was to have Kamala's origin be more in line with the Captain Marvel "family" powers, with the sticking it to the Inhumans thing just being a bonus. It's often pointed out that Kamala's Inhuman origins are largely superfluous to the character, so it's not outside the realm of possibility that Marvel Studios just decide to make her have Carol-style powers if she was going to be a Carol-attached character.

I don't really buy the Black Bolt rumor (it just feels like more of the crossover-obsessed rumor mill this film has attracted), but I've also never really bought the idea that the Kamala power change only happened because of the Inhumans minimization, given that the synergy thing is kind of right there.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 24th 2022 at 6:53:42 AM

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#140312: Feb 24th 2022 at 10:07:37 PM

They have already changed Kamala's power, so there's a pretty fair chance that her comic book origin will also be changed.

Altris from the Vortex Since: Aug, 2019 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
#140313: Feb 24th 2022 at 10:15:52 PM

Really?

I guess that makes sense, but I liked her comics origin. Sad to see it (apparently) go.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#140314: Feb 24th 2022 at 10:21:49 PM

Well her origin is pretty simple. There shouldn’t be much to change aside from the exact empowering event.

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#140315: Feb 25th 2022 at 6:15:10 AM

With the whole thing about not shooting new projects in Hawaii

From what I've heard Eternals not filming in Hawaii has nothing to with canonicity with Inhumans. Rather Hawaii was reportedly very upset with how the Troubled Production of Inhumans went and Feige must've figured it'd be easier just filming on another island than try to get permission again.

Edited by Watchtower on Feb 25th 2022 at 9:15:38 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#140316: Feb 25th 2022 at 7:26:35 AM

Wow.

I honestly think the Inhumans are dead.

Permulter literally murdered them.

Yes, Kamala was only vaguely connected to them, but if they really do change her powers and origins in the movies to avoid the connection (and the comics follow suite) then that's it.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#140317: Feb 25th 2022 at 7:33:58 AM

I really don’t think they changed her powers to avoid a connection to the Inhumans

Because her powers weren’t specifically Inhuman seeming to begin with. Because there’s not a Wow This Looks Like An Inhuman Power aesthetic. And her revamped powers for the MCU aren’t less Inhuman seeming becaise that’s not a thing.

It’s more likely to be a budget thing. To avoid stepping on the toes of Mr Fantastic whenever the FF get used in the MCU. And as a side benefit to make Kamala fit in more visually with the other Marvels

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#140318: Feb 25th 2022 at 7:34:52 AM

Well, one could imagine the Royal family or so coming back at one point in the far future, but the idea of using them as diet mutants as the new go-to origin for easy superpowers is pretty dead. Which would raise a big question sign in characters like Kamala.

[up] It's more her origin than her powers, really. She got her powers from Terrigen Mist. Which could easily be replaced with some other weird chemical spill of some kind.

Edited by Blueace on Feb 25th 2022 at 12:51:16 PM

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DoubleOG (Apprentice)
#140319: Feb 25th 2022 at 8:29:49 AM

We still don't know the exact reason why they changed her powers, but I personally don't believe they changed it cause of similarities to a different character we haven't even seen yet.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#140320: Feb 25th 2022 at 8:36:30 AM

The Fantastic Four movie has been announced, so I don't know about that per see. I think it's related.

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DoubleOG (Apprentice)
#140321: Feb 25th 2022 at 8:43:58 AM

I know it's been announced.

I just don't think Reed Richards inclusion into the MCU is the reason for Kamala Khan's power change.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#140322: Feb 25th 2022 at 8:56:59 AM

There's a reason for distancing Kamala from the Inhumans besides the negative reaction to The Inhumans: if they kept her Inhuman origins, they'd finally have to address the "is Agents of SHIELD canon or not?" question.

'Cause in AOS, the existence of Inhumans was well-known by the public. And not just "some people are showing up with weird powers", but right down to their origins and what Terrigen is. So if Kamala's debut has either her or other characters learning what Inhumans are for the first time, that'd pretty definitively excise AOS from canon, whereas if they go through the trouble of making Inhumans something widespread that the movies and Disney+ shows have just never mentioned before, that could only be done in an effort to keep canon with AOS.

I know the Snap already created some continuity hurdles with the last two AOS seasons, but overall Marvel Studios seems to favor not outright decanonizing any Marvel TV productions, even if they choose not to reference or draw upon them in any way.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#140323: Feb 25th 2022 at 5:07:20 PM

It's not like Kamala ever interacted with Inhumans much in the comics run either.

Except for Lockjaw. Because Lockjaw is great.

TBH, he's the only Inhuman I actually wish was in the MCU.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#140324: Feb 25th 2022 at 5:11:58 PM

Disregard.

Edited by Gaon on Feb 25th 2022 at 5:12:13 AM

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#140325: Feb 26th 2022 at 2:14:54 AM

She has one recouring villian who's an inhuman who tried to sort out an arranged marriage with her, but he's definitely the least interesting of the four recurring villains introduced in her original run (The Inventor, Doc.X, and Becky St. Clare).


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