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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#140276: Feb 23rd 2022 at 2:13:06 PM

I gotta admit, hearing that THIS will be on Disney + soon does kinda sound weird tongue

Not that I don't welcome it.

Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% Scandinavian
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#140277: Feb 23rd 2022 at 2:18:44 PM

God, I love that scene. Absolutely brutal kill and 110% deserved.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#140278: Feb 23rd 2022 at 7:09:41 PM

Meanwhile, Netflix, ABC and the rest don't have all that, allowing them to make more grounded street level stuff that people take more seriously. That leads us to things like Luke Cage and Daredevil.

I'll have to admit that that lower budget does mean that the shows generally had to steer towards practical effects when it came to the fight scenes, which does have the effect of making the fights feel more "real".

Okey Dokey!
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#140279: Feb 23rd 2022 at 7:20:06 PM

[up] And for people who complain about the mainline MCU battles, it must be a really nice change of pace to see less wire work and conspicuously CGI backgrounds.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
(•̀⤙•́)
#140281: Feb 23rd 2022 at 9:25:51 PM

Man, that clip reminded me of how much I miss Thomas Jane's Punisher. There are basically three interpretations of Frank Castle:

  • Tactician Punisher - Meticulously plans out everything in advance before making his move. Uses traps, preparation, and psychological warfare to take out his targets.
  • Action Hero Punisher - Kicks in the door and goes in guns blazing. Uses a combination of heavy weaponry and Protagonist Invulnerability to take out his targets.
  • Super Punisher - The wackier version of the character at home in the absurdity of the comic book universe. Uses super-gadgets like a sword that shoots knives, a Goblin Glider, an Ant-Man helmet, web-shooters, etc. to take out his targets.

Thomas Jane leaned hard into Tactician Punisher, while Ray Stevenson and Jon Bernthal both went more for Action Hero Punisher.

Though perhaps Super Punisher is due for a live-action debut. Running around the MCU with a salvaged Iron Man suit, Chitauri guns, a few stolen Pym Particle arrows from Hawkeye, etc. Give him the two broken pieces of Captain America's original shield that Thanos cracked in half, haphazardly welded or duct taped back together to reference that time he was teased to be the new Cap. Etc. etc.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Feb 23rd 2022 at 9:26:54 AM

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#140282: Feb 23rd 2022 at 9:38:57 PM

I dunno about that, we saw plenty of Tactician Punisher in the Netflix shows too. Stuff like hiding a razor blade inside his own wrist and letting himself get captured by the Kitchen Irish, hiding guns and explosives all throughout Micro's lair for the shootout with Russo's men (and remaking his iconic vest for scare value), shooting open a hole in the wall between two hotel rooms beforehand so he could get the drop on Pilgrim's squad, all that stuff with sending Turk to the Russians and luring their men away, etc.

Bernthal Punisher doesn't actually just aimlessly charge in guns blazing most of the time.

[up][up]Season 2 had good fights.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Feb 23rd 2022 at 12:39:54 PM

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#140283: Feb 23rd 2022 at 9:48:36 PM

Y'know, if they wanted to go the Super Punisher route, it might be interesting to have him show up in an Ant-Man movie. The lead's a reformed criminal, he's pals with a bunch of other criminals, and if Ghost shows up again, has semi-good terms with a former supervillain. Lotta rich potential in pitting Scott and Frank against each other.

Plus, if you're worried about people rooting too much for the Punisher, I can think of few ways to set people against him better than pointing a gun at Nicest-Guy-In-The-MCU Scott Lang.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#140284: Feb 23rd 2022 at 10:08:25 PM

I hope if an MCU Punisher does show up then he should quickly become hated among heroes and villains alike.

That's more or less his rep in the comics — very few Marvel heroes are sympathetic towards Frank. In one storyline, the reaction the hero community had when he absconded with the War Machine armor that Nick Fury for some reason lent to him to take his war against criminals up to eleven was a Mass "Oh, Crap!".

Edited by M84 on Feb 24th 2022 at 2:08:42 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#140285: Feb 23rd 2022 at 10:10:33 PM

I'm reminded that Daredevil in the comics flat out detests him.

Like there's not even respect or sympathy there, he just thinks of Frank as nothing more than a murderer.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#140286: Feb 23rd 2022 at 10:14:50 PM

That Frank actually respects Matt makes it worse. Matt really doesn't appreciate Frank thinking they have some common ground.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#140287: Feb 23rd 2022 at 10:15:34 PM

"Your respect fills me with shame."

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#140288: Feb 23rd 2022 at 10:21:00 PM

Y'know, it'd be cool if it was revealed that Marc Spector and Frank Castle knew each other due to working together on some overseas assignment. And if they ever crossed paths, it would be pretty funny to see Frank react to this mercenary he used to know now dressed up like a mummy wearing a cape.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Feb 23rd 2022 at 10:21:40 AM

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#140289: Feb 23rd 2022 at 10:22:59 PM

They actually had a hilarious interaction before that went along like this.

“Hey Marc how’s that fake God of yours?”

“Fine Frank, how’s your dead family doing?”

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#140290: Feb 23rd 2022 at 10:27:20 PM

[up] Wait, that's real? I thought that was from one of those fabricated Moon Knight comic memes.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Feb 23rd 2022 at 10:29:18 AM

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#140291: Feb 23rd 2022 at 10:39:01 PM

I thought it was.

It definitely sounds more like something he would actually say.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#140292: Feb 23rd 2022 at 10:45:36 PM

No, it's real. It's from Punisher #14 (2018 run).

Edited by M84 on Feb 24th 2022 at 2:47:24 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#140293: Feb 23rd 2022 at 11:55:49 PM

On a random note, if we ever got a Squadron Supreme movie the poster definitely has to be made in homage to the original cover

This would be a dope poster especially if whoever plays Hyperion wears those kickass shades

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/squadron_supreme_tpb_vol_1_1_textless.jpg

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 23rd 2022 at 11:56:13 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
DoubleOG (Apprentice)
#140294: Feb 24th 2022 at 5:37:51 AM

Some are thinking the all the Netflix shows are canon cause their inclusion on Disney+...

Wonderful sad

Also before someone replies and explains how they could fit, I'm not saying they can't.

Unless they announced to be in a MCU show they I'll remain skeptical.

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#140295: Feb 24th 2022 at 5:51:32 AM

Multiverse comes to the rescue - all the Netflix series DID happen... In a different universe.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#140296: Feb 24th 2022 at 5:54:42 AM

except the inhumans,they never happened!

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#140298: Feb 24th 2022 at 5:56:06 AM

At the very least, Daredevil is canon.

The legend has returned.
Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#140299: Feb 24th 2022 at 6:07:38 AM

except the inhumans,they never happened!

And when Sam Raimi reveals Anson Mount’s Black Bolt is part of the Illuminati?

Edited by Synchronicity on Feb 24th 2022 at 8:08:13 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#140300: Feb 24th 2022 at 9:17:47 AM

uhhhhh..

have a listen and have a link to my discord server

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