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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#140201: Feb 21st 2022 at 1:37:07 PM

I'm reminded the game for Amazing Spider-Man 2 did a completely original plot involving Carnage (born first without Venom) and Kraven being like a mentor to Spider-Man.

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#140202: Feb 21st 2022 at 1:48:07 PM

And the Raimi Spider-Man 2 game is part movie game, part comics game.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#140203: Feb 21st 2022 at 3:16:53 PM

The Amazing Spider-Man 1 Game even was a Sequel to the original film.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#140204: Feb 21st 2022 at 3:35:03 PM

Sorry to go off topic for a sec, but I just need to make sure I'm not the only one seeing this. Does this zombie from What If...? look like Gordon Freeman to you guys?

Sorry that the image is blurry, it was hard to get a good screenshot.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/screen_shot_2022_02_21_at_32635_pm.png

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Mega_zxa Since: Mar, 2015
#140205: Feb 21st 2022 at 3:36:07 PM

Give him the armor and yeah it does look like Gordon Freeman.

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XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#140207: Feb 21st 2022 at 3:40:02 PM

[up]X6: The first Amazing movie game is a wholly original sequel to the film. Peter has to cure a cross-species viral outbreak, featuring an earlier version of Rhino and (the obscure) Vermin. Alistair Smythe is a Anti-Villain with his Spider Slayers targeting the infection and Spidey. The only spoiler is finding out that Dr Connors isn't dead after the first movie.

The second movie game follows a formula similar to the other Spidey titles: half original stories, half abridged movie. Though it's an extreme case here, where the movie's story is almost an afterthought.

A neat thing about the Beenox games, including the as aforementioned one, is how their mechanics have been imported into the Insomniac Spider-Man games (stealth, web-rush/web-zip parkour, specialized gadgets).


Out of all of the tie-in MCU games, The consistently well received are Captain America: Super Soldier and LEGO Marvel's Avengers.

Edited by XMenMutant22 on Feb 21st 2022 at 6:42:30 AM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#140209: Feb 21st 2022 at 6:23:50 PM

Looking through the full episode, I realize they reuse the Zombie Freeman model a lot throughout the episode. Even as a zombie, it seems nobody can put down Gordon.

Also worth noting that Ozioma Akagha, the woman who voiced Alyx Vance in Half-Life: Alyx also voiced a young Shuri in the episode where Killmonger rescues Tony Stark. Funny coincidence, huh?

Edited by MatthewWayne on Feb 21st 2022 at 6:27:46 AM

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Meistro2021 Since: Jul, 2021
#140210: Feb 21st 2022 at 6:34:46 PM

I wanna ask, if Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania, is considered part of the multiverse, how come it's not in the same sub-franchise with Multiverse of Madness?

Edited by Meistro2021 on Feb 21st 2022 at 6:35:34 AM

EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#140211: Feb 21st 2022 at 6:40:29 PM

I've mentioned this before, but the whole "spiritual trilogy" thing of WV, NWH, and MOM came from a statement by Feige on that big Disney Investor Day presentation a few years back. Someone just added on Loki when the Kang stuff came out to make it a "tetralogy." It really shouldn't be considered a sub-franchise, just part of the ongoing multiverse Myth Arc with a specific focus on Stange and Wanda. I've been meaning to go back and correct all that stuff.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#140213: Feb 21st 2022 at 7:03:03 PM

I think it's kind of odd that NWH is considered to be part of this "spiritual trilogy". Like, yeah there's multiversal stuff involved, but it's mostly a Spider-Man story that just happens to have Doctor Strange involved in it for certain reasons. Hell, considering that NWH was initially supposed to take place after MOM, I'm starting to even wonder if the events of NWH will even affect the plot of MOM at all.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Feb 21st 2022 at 7:03:58 AM

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EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
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#140214: Feb 21st 2022 at 7:20:01 PM

*Shrugs* Who knows. The possibility that immediately comes to mind is that the multiverse spell was the "desecration of reality." This trilogy thing was announced after they had settled on the current release dates, and they probably had enough time to change up whatever the inciting incident is if that scrapped concept art of America Chavez saving Flash and Betty is any indication.

PizzaDog11 Pizza is my business from closer than you think Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
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#140215: Feb 21st 2022 at 7:34:35 PM

Seemingly Mo M is picking up threads from both WV and NWH, even if the latter two have nothing to do with each each other. It’s debatable whether that makes them a “trilogy” so to speak.

I’d argue Loki and Quantumania seem to be their own separate thread at the moment, kicking off the Kang plot.

Meistro2021 Since: Jul, 2021
#140216: Feb 21st 2022 at 7:54:12 PM

Not trying to ask, but what will happen after the events on Multiverse of Madness? Any possibilities or ideas?

EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#140217: Feb 21st 2022 at 8:00:26 PM

I doubt anything too game-changing. All the important multiverse stuff will probably be resolved in AM3 or the next season of Loki. The latter introduced the basic concept of the multiverse, What If explored it in a bit more detail, and this movie will introduce general audiences to the broader of concept of, you know, completely different universes rather than past franchises or slightly altered versions of the familiar timeline.

Of course, there’s also the possible “Wanda is evil” outcome, but I doubt that will stick if true.

Edited by EmeraldEmperor on Feb 21st 2022 at 11:01:02 AM

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jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#140219: Feb 21st 2022 at 8:06:45 PM

Patrick Stewart and Ryan Reynolds have responded to rumors that they're in Multiverse of Madness. Reynolds straight up denies it, albeit with a deadpool-esque flourish of maybe I'm lying, whereas Stewart was far more coy, saying people have been imitating my voice for years, without denying he was in the movie.

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PizzaDog11 Pizza is my business from closer than you think Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
Pizza is my business
#140220: Feb 21st 2022 at 8:13:44 PM

[up][up][up] I hope we don’t get evil, crazy Wanda going forward. The MCU has done such a good job of dropping that sort of baggage (Tony not going full dictator in Civil War, Hank Pym not… doing the thing Hank Pym is best known for), it’d be a shame to ruin that streak now.

Especially since comic!Wanda only JUST undid her main mistake like a month ago

Edited by PizzaDog11 on Feb 22nd 2022 at 3:14:10 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#140221: Feb 21st 2022 at 8:21:40 PM

Eh.

Tony may not have gone full dictator, but he still has his issues.

Plus, stuff like Ultron and Edith showed he still kinda had that in him

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#140222: Feb 21st 2022 at 8:44:26 PM

[up][up] I also hope that we don't get evil/crazy Wanda...if only because I'm terrified of the internet exploding if that happens. Also, I really, really want Scott being nice to her in Civil War to pay off somehow. Like maybe she rescues Cassie from a mystical threat or something, and they become actual friends. But that's just me.

I'm not sure if I'm the only one who's noticed, but there are a crazy amount of people who worship Wanda like a Sacred Cow, particularly where Twitter is concerned. And while I do think she's a great and unique character, I do think that some of her actions wanton a little healthy criticism, just like with Tony, Strange, Quill and the rest. I don't want to demonize her either, because god knows there's way too much of that as well.

But making Wanda a full-on villain would definitely be a controversy. A very unnecessary controversy. The point to a lot of these characters is that they're not complete saints or devils. At least for the most part.

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Ohmknight _(o)_ from the End Since: Jul, 2020 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#140223: Feb 22nd 2022 at 12:00:52 AM

[up]I would at most be alright with a tragic villain that is left on neutral ground at the end of the movie.

Edited by Ohmknight on Feb 23rd 2022 at 4:01:03 AM

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jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#140224: Feb 22nd 2022 at 2:59:24 AM

She's definitely a character who seems to attract strong opinions. I very much doubt that there is a resolution to her character arc that will please everyone.

I personally am on the fence, as a person she is very sympathetic and has been through a hell of a lot... BUT while it explains Westview, it does not really excuse what she did.

Plus her point to Strange about how they are treated differently is valid enough but to me the problem is that Strange should get more criticism, not Wanda should get less.

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dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
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#140225: Feb 22nd 2022 at 5:29:51 AM

I hope we don’t get evil, crazy Wanda going forward. The MCU has done such a good job of dropping that sort of baggage (Tony not going full dictator in Civil War, Hank Pym not… doing the thing Hank Pym is best known for), it’d be a shame to ruin that streak now.

Especially since comic!Wanda only JUST undid her main mistake like a month ago

I've said it before, but I think it would be pretty tone-deaf to go this way for Wanda considering what you've said and the fact that there aren't many female hero leads in the MCU.

She's definitely a character who seems to attract strong opinions. I very much doubt that there is a resolution to her character arc that will please everyone.
I personally am on the fence, as a person she is very sympathetic and has been through a hell of a lot... BUT while it explains Westview, it does not really excuse what she did.
Plus her point to Strange about how they are treated differently is valid enough but to me the problem is that Strange should get more criticism, not Wanda should get less.

At the end of the day, both Wanda and Strange did bad things. YMMV as to which one of these two acts is worse (Wanda accidentally enslaving a town during a mental breakdown vs. Strange endangering the entire multiverse because a bunch of teenagers failed to get into college due to one of them being careless with his secret identity), but at the end of the day, both Wanda and Strange undertook bad actions, and that's what matters.

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