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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
That's certainly a problem.
Executives might take it to mean that everything Wakanda related is no longer profitable and throw it under the bus.
This is because they usually fail to understand the actual problems.
One Strip! One Strip!We have similar problems with Quantumania and Evangeline Lilly. Considering the Ant-Man & The Wasp films never grossed super high over the years, executives might feel the same way if that underperforms as well.
Of course, the idea of losing anything Wakanda related is much more important than that, given how much Black Panther means to people.
Edited by MatthewWayne on Feb 19th 2022 at 1:28:47 AM
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I've seen some people suggest Jennifer Garner. And honestly, that's not a bad idea since they look similar, and Garner has expressed interest in being a superhero again now that the genre is crazy popular. I also thought she was fantastic in Alias, and the Ant-Man films are pretty similar in tone to them, at least in my opinion. Plus, if her old costars Carl Lumbly and Bradley Cooper can be part of this franchise, why can't she?
She's a fairly a-tier actress (in terms of status) in a fairly major role so there'd probably be a lot of contract renegotiation.
By now it's too late at any rate, Quantumania already finished principal photography. The best that could be done would be adding a last-minute write-out for the character (like her deciding to go on a trip somewhere), but taking out one of the two lead characters of the film in post is insanity.
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Yeah, it's definitely not happening for Quantumania. Though all this shit surrounding Lilly is really souring my interest in seeing it, even if Jonathan Majors and Paul Rudd knock it out of the park.
Still though, I really would like Garner to join the MCU at some point.
Part of the problem with recasting people is that if it doesn't happen super early on, people tend to notice if a person suddenly looks different in-universe, no matter how similar they look to their old actor. It's part of the whole "worship of continuity" culture we have in fiction now. I think that's (partly) why it's difficult to recast Boseman at the moment.
Edited by MatthewWayne on Feb 20th 2022 at 10:32:41 AM
"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."But that's one of the best things about the MCU. Since the actors will eventually leave the role, for one reason or another, they can't just keep the same characters around forever. The comics do that, and it results in a perpetual undoing of growth or change for the characters, because they always need to be reset to a state that allows them to star in more stories. But in the films, we can have Iron Man die and Captain America retire in his old age, and be reasonably confident it'll actually stick, and that new characters will actually have a decent chance at claiming the spotlight.
Edited by RavenWilder on Feb 20th 2022 at 11:34:57 AM
Comic books are particularly poor source material for this kind of "the actor is the character" mentality to persist. The Marvel universe has lasted for nearly an IRL century at this point, and it is frankly limiting as hell that people so insist these characters to be beholden to their actors like this. RDJ is absolutely perfectly cast as Tony Stark but I will be fooling myself to believe that there will literally never be a person as good at Tony Stark as him.
What's even more infuriating is how much the multiverse comes up as an "out" and how fully chill at least the internet discourse is with using the multiverse to kill-and-replace characters as a way to justify recasting in-universe. Because people would rather embrace a completely hack method like this, one that reduces the multiverse to little more than a gacha machine to cheat death with, than just recasting and moving on.
In the opposite fashion, the core appeal of the MCU is a ever-changing universe (unlike the comics and its glacial approach to change). Seeing characters retire and die for good (partially on account of its actors not living forever, natch) is exactly what gives it a drive, so writing out actors and their characters is a central selling point.
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Quite the contrary, the fact the joker dosent have any backstory of consistency allow actor to do their best without having to please fans, that is why you can have nicholson, leadger and phoenix do awsome performance without anyone being more truth than the other.
Is over exposer that annoyed people of the joker and that is more comic fans in general.
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A lot of Black Panther fans would disagree with you. People are really upset of the notion of T'Challa being permanently written out, since the franchise practically revolves around the character and the decisions he makes.
Edited by MatthewWayne on Feb 20th 2022 at 11:57:09 AM
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Actually, Marvel Comics is a great source material for that approach.
They've been publishing dozens of titles a month since the 1960's, while Marvel Studios only puts out a handful of movies or streaming series each year. Even if Marvel Comics closed down today and stopped making new I Ps to draw from, it'd still take the films decades to work through its massive roster of characters.
And the only way they can even begin adapting some of those characters is if they shuffle aside other characters to make room for them. Like, suppose that when Robert Downey Jr. decided not to make anymore Iron Man solo films, they recast him with an actor who would. That'd most likely mean we'd have gotten Iron Man 4 during Phase 3 ... which would force some other Phase 3 movie off the production schedule. We might not have gotten Dr. Strange, or Black Panther, or Ant-Man & the Wasp, just because Marvel was desperate to keep the Iron Man series going.
These specific recasts (i.e when an actor dies or in this case where an actor is just becoming toxic) are a different, if related, discussion. I was more talking in general. The MCU would quickly lose its shine if rather than giving Captain and Stark the semi-definitive endings they got in Endgame the MCU just continuously recast the characters to run forever, for example.
That'd be running perilously close to the long-running problem of comics where change either doesn't happen or happens at a completely glacial place. "The character runs forever regardless of actor" is a great way to make status quo be clad in steel.
Edited by Gaon on Feb 20th 2022 at 12:05:51 PM
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I agree with that. If Steve and Tony were just going to get rebooted forever, we also would never would get new and unique things like Ironheart and Sam-as-Cap. Or even worse, we'd go down the Marvel NOW! path of having Sam be Cap for a few installments, then have him forcibly relinquished of the role once Steve inexplicably comes back in prime shape.
I definitely agree with and even really like the fact that the MCU unlike the comics actually has a tangible meaningful timeline. I do really like that Cap and Stark can be killed off and those have legitimate consequences in the MCU. Those retirements make sense for their characters and help build out the universe. However, at the end of the day those are only as permanent as we want them to be, they don't need to be as real as real life, and at some point there's nothing wrong with them coming back. Similarly there's something legitimately great in having T'Challa suddenly die and using that to tell a story of untapped potential snuffed out mirroring Boseman's own life, but that doesn't have to be a permanent end to such a beloved character, no more than it is for the other two.
And those are like the big ones, dealing with character and/or actor deaths. I've seen how many people suggest Shuri eat acid or a fire or a crowbar to the face and require plastic surgery and have that be the in-universe justification for recasting Wright and I just don't get the mental block there. At the end of the day these aren't real people, y'know? There are always other actors for these characters.
Edited by Watchtower on Feb 20th 2022 at 3:21:07 PM
Heck, we've had two big players recasted in the early days of the MCU: Rhodey and Banner. There was never any rhyme or reason why they suddenly looked different in-universe, they just did.
Now granted, Rhodey was recast because Ike Perlmutter was petty and racist, and Banner was cast because Edward Norton was being difficult. But you can't deny that the audience didn't get too upset, all things considered.
Edited by MatthewWayne on Feb 20th 2022 at 12:27:49 PM
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There is a somewhat rising unease about the movie, some worried it might not be that good and underperform.
Edited by DoubleOG on Feb 19th 2022 at 11:56:05 AM