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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#140076: Feb 17th 2022 at 3:53:17 PM

@ Known Unknown - I'm partly going off of some leaks/potential spoilers here, but I suspect that Abomination will be taking his place.

I'm not sure whether I had seen possible leaks before or after making this connection ,but it struck me that Abomination's brief appearance as a "prizefighter" in Shang Chi coupled with his apparent Heel–Face Turn was definitely an Absorbing Man kind of thing.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#140077: Feb 17th 2022 at 4:06:02 PM

Absorbing Man got hit with the misfortune that none of the characters is largely attached to had space for him at the time. Thor's films went for an entirely cosmic high fantasy focus, with none of his terrestrial enemies showing up at all, and Hulk wasn't getting movies (and still isn't getting movies). Back then it was "well, if the films aren't going to use him, why not?" in Agents of SHIELD.

But now Thor is having a more terrestrial film and the Hulk mythos - while still not having movies - is having an explicitly canon tv show, so now there's space for him to show up alongside the characters he was made to appear with, but the earlier situation means there's a bit more awkwardness surrounding using him now.

It'd be more a blatant jossing than the recolored Darkhold and the new identity for Mockingbird, since Creel was explicitly died during Agents of SHIELD.

I suspect that Abomination will be taking his place.

As Titania's boyfriend, you mean?

Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 17th 2022 at 4:07:05 AM

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#140078: Feb 17th 2022 at 4:11:22 PM

Yes, as her boyfriend. But more broadly, that he's taking on the kind of sympathetic characterization that Abomination has gotten in comics.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#140079: Feb 17th 2022 at 4:12:40 PM

There's a leak saying Abomination was going to be Titania's love interest?

IIRC, the only thing we know is just that he's going to be in the show.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 17th 2022 at 4:14:29 AM

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#140080: Feb 17th 2022 at 4:17:16 PM

To clarify, I'm speculating regarding the relationship part. But it would be enteratining to see Tim Roth interacting with Jameela Jamil.

I'm more thinking that Abomination's role in general is going to be more along the lines of an Absorbing Man kind of role. At the same time, it does make sense for him to be in a Hulk show, since he is himself a former (?) Hulk villain and has the same gamma powers.

Edit - As a side note (about characters left in the cold), I would still like to see the Wrecking Crew, although I don't have much idea of how they could be introduced.

Edited by Hodor2 on Feb 17th 2022 at 6:26:39 AM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#140081: Feb 17th 2022 at 4:35:59 PM

That's why I say add in the Absorbing Man now, but just don't make it Crusher Creel.

Rocky Davis was the boxer Matt Murdoch's dad got killed for beating in the ring, but otherwise has no relevancy to Marvel make him the second Absorbing Man and you don't even have to change the crooked-boxer-with-ties-to-Murdoch-Sr back story.

Dang Absorbing Man has ties to a lot of hot Marvel properties right now. Thor, (She)Hulk, Loki and Daredevil.

Wrecking Crew too, save for the daredevil tie. You could literally debut them in Loki series 2 as Loki's amoral goons on the side he manufactures.

Edited by Whowho on Feb 17th 2022 at 12:37:20 PM

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#140082: Feb 17th 2022 at 4:38:50 PM

I still want to see Obscure Silver Age D-Listers Hammer and Anvil.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#140083: Feb 17th 2022 at 4:45:19 PM

[up][up] I have also had the thought of them as being Loki's minions. And it did seem like in the show that Sylvie was able to empower people to some degree (Well, presumably hopefully. Otherwise, any random civilian can take Loki in a fight).

So, there's a bit of an in there.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#140084: Feb 17th 2022 at 5:44:13 PM

I still want to see Radioactive Man, if only because the single Hulk comic I ever read as a kid had him fighting that guy and a dude who could multiply himself in the middle of some snowy mountainous area on Thunderbolt Ross's orders.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#140085: Feb 17th 2022 at 6:02:31 PM

I still want to see Radioactive Man...

Me too, but I think it'll be hard to top his last cinematic appearence:

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#140086: Feb 17th 2022 at 6:03:49 PM

I want to see Dario Agger and Roxxon. They'd fit like a glove for She-Hulk foes (bullish male rage vs amazon strength, corporation trying to dodge the law vs intrepid lawyer).

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#140087: Feb 17th 2022 at 6:05:27 PM

Since they were brought up I'd like to see Agger's "partner" Xemnu.

Say, do you remember that show? Xemnu's Magic Planet? It was all the rage when we were kids.

Edited by M84 on Feb 17th 2022 at 10:06:42 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
PizzaDog11 Pizza is my business from closer than you think Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
Pizza is my business
#140088: Feb 17th 2022 at 6:52:38 PM

[up][up] That’s a really good call, Agger feels like a really natural enemy for She-Hulk, with his combination of brute force and rules-lawyering.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#140089: Feb 17th 2022 at 8:26:39 PM

Agger is a really good showcase for the pure monstrousness of corporations.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#140090: Feb 17th 2022 at 8:31:36 PM

Which made what happened to him when Xemnu turned on him particularly cathartic.

Edited by M84 on Feb 18th 2022 at 12:32:18 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#140091: Feb 17th 2022 at 8:32:06 PM

Oh me, oh my. evil grin

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#140092: Feb 17th 2022 at 8:32:29 PM

Xemnu was a vewy vewy hungwy boy.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#140093: Feb 17th 2022 at 8:53:49 PM

That’s a really good call, Agger feels like a really natural enemy for She-Hulk, with his combination of brute force and rules-lawyering.

I'm not so, since rules lawyering and money is why Agger was a Karma Houdini for so long.

What finally brought him down was Hulk and Banner going full anti establishment.

That's why I say add in the Absorbing Man now, but just don't make it Crusher Creel.

I don't know if that would be necessary. Marvel Studios could try doing Creel again with a new actor.

Edited by Cortez on Feb 17th 2022 at 1:11:08 PM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#140094: Feb 17th 2022 at 8:57:30 PM

That and Agger running afoul of Evil Is Not a Toy.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#140095: Feb 17th 2022 at 9:15:39 PM

Xemnu would be amazing, as that arc single-handedly shot him up to the top of the list of IH foes in my book. I just don't know if he's too creepy for the tone of this show, and if Disney would even roll with him (i.e the character in IH is a very transparent jab at corporation-driven toxic nostalgia practiced by the likes of Disney).

Also: I don't see how Immortal Hulk precludes any of what I said about Agger and Roxxon. We're talking about an adaptation, not a shot-for-shot remake. My observation was simply the mechanics of Roxxon (obscenely powerful and abusive corporation with a literally bullish boss) lends itself well for a overarching She-Hulk antagonist. You can easily derive multiple seasons from She-Hulk trying to defend clients (both in court and in battle) from Roxxon's abusive practices. The fact they often hire supervillains for their bidding even helps Arc Welding other villains into a ssingle narrative (e.g they hire Absorbing Man and Titania to deal with She-Hulk).

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#140096: Feb 17th 2022 at 11:20:50 PM

(i.e the character in IH is a very transparent jab at corporation-driven toxic nostalgia practiced by the likes of Disney).

With a dash of Candle Cove too.

It also highlights how shitty Bruce Banner's childhood was, since part of why it works so well on Bruce is because Xemnu's Magic Planet let him be a happy kid.

As one character put it, Xemnu's Magic Planet was the childhood Bruce Banner always wanted...while the Hulk was the childhood he got.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#140097: Feb 18th 2022 at 8:31:48 AM

As a note, I only remember their appearance in Loki offhand, because it's more recent, but I believe Roxxon has actually appeared in a bunch of different MCU and Marvel Tv properties and is always doing something shady. So, it would be very appropriate to finally showcase their CEO.

Edit - From a quick search, I now remember them being bad guys in Agent Carter and it seems like in various media they are causing pollution, were infiltrated by The Hand in Daredevil, caused Cloak and Dagger's powers (and would kill to cover it up), etc.

It's funny that Wikipedia doesn't even mention Roxxcart in Loki (where they run an Amazon-like store/company town in a dystopian future).

They are busy.

Edited by Hodor2 on Feb 18th 2022 at 10:39:42 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#140098: Feb 18th 2022 at 8:35:01 AM

I'm reminded the Miles Morales game had them majorly involved but the main Roxxon guy was some bland no-name corrupt executive voiced by Troy Baker.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#140099: Feb 18th 2022 at 8:47:04 AM

I said once before Roxxon without Agger doesn't quite work for me. He's the missing piece of comic book shenanigans (being a literal minotaur in a suit) that really makes Roxxon click. His introductory scene in Immortal Hulk basically summarizes the appeal as he monologues:

"This world is a maze of money and power. In which human beings lose themselves. They live their lives in the labyrinth... and I am the Minotaur."

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#140100: Feb 18th 2022 at 8:51:15 AM

Even by superhero standards, that's a bit on the nose.smile


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