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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#140051: Feb 16th 2022 at 4:02:25 PM

From Variety

Zhao also still finds time to write fan fiction. Which canon? She won’t reveal. She does admit she used to write on Livejournal, an old blogging site, and has dabbled in fanfiction.net. But, she cautions, “Never reveal your pen name. Many people ask me, but you will never find out.”

From Instagram:

For y’all who are making awesome fan arts, vids and fics of our Eternals characters, please know that I’m watching and reading with the biggest smile on my face! See y’all on AO 3!

Chloé Zhao could be any one of us…

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#140052: Feb 16th 2022 at 4:06:25 PM

Amusingly I think one of the interviews implied she was into Slash Fic specifically.

Edited by AlleyOop on Feb 16th 2022 at 7:13:48 AM

jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#140053: Feb 16th 2022 at 4:08:09 PM

I am beginning to suspect that the leak I read is bullshit simply by the nature of all the crazy ass game changing stuff in it, specifically all the non-mcu marvel characters, and I feel like something would've slipped out. The things it got right I'll just chalk up to the law of large numbers (i.e. sometimes somebody has a very lucky guess).

Edited by jjjj2 on Feb 16th 2022 at 7:08:21 AM

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#140054: Feb 16th 2022 at 4:11:23 PM

Yeah, the "Simpsons predicted the future" way of thinking

*so many batshit things happen in the Simpsons, they've gotta have a hit at some point

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#140055: Feb 16th 2022 at 4:12:08 PM

[up][up][up][up] Mon Dieu...she's been a fan since the beginning...

Now I'm really curious about what she wrote about before getting to play with the Eternals. Did she do Avengers? Ant-Man? Blade? Ultron? Curiosity is killing me!

Edited by MatthewWayne on Feb 16th 2022 at 4:12:27 AM

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#140056: Feb 16th 2022 at 4:15:59 PM

She says that she's a big fan of the relationship between Steve and Bucky and the "impossible love" they have for each other, so there's a good chance it's that.

I think I've mentioned it before but the Steve/Bucky pairing is exceptionally popular among the Sinosphere (to the point that Sebastian Stan is still a Weibo/Lofter darling), for reasons I can only partially understand as a more heavily Americanized Chinese. And well, the way Chloe Zhao described it is almost identical to how my mainland friends who are openly into the ship have gushed about it, so you can probably put 1 + 1 together.

Although, mentioning that she had accounts on FFN and LJ suggests it might've been something else, as while Stucky still had some fans in its early years, the ship didn't take off to the extent it did until after 2014 at which point AO 3 supplanted them as the primary fic archive of choice. Unless she does have an AO 3 account too and doesn't want to admit it.

Edited by AlleyOop on Feb 16th 2022 at 7:42:56 AM

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#140057: Feb 16th 2022 at 4:21:00 PM

Steve/Bucky was the MCU ship for the longest time, to the point that even non-MCU fans like myself at the time picked up on it.

The legend has returned.
dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#140058: Feb 16th 2022 at 5:39:17 PM

Yeah, the "Simpsons predicted the future" way of thinking
*so many batshit things happen in the Simpsons, they've gotta have a hit at some point

We're at the point of "the only way to prove/disprove anything is to wait for the actual movie to come out".

Okey Dokey!
DoubleOG (Apprentice)
#140059: Feb 16th 2022 at 5:57:55 PM

We've always been at that point for every movie...

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#140060: Feb 16th 2022 at 6:02:02 PM

I'll admit I wasn't really as bothered with the tonal whiplash with the Marvel Zombies episode of What If as a lot of others were, though I also think at least part of that was me being familiar with the source material and seeing the whiplash as part of it. Like, the original comics frequently ping-ponged between absurdist Black Comedy and straight-laced horror in a manner not unlike Evil Dead 2, to the point where there's literally a comic crossover where Ash Williams drops in.

To that end the way Sharon died didn't even phase me so this idea of it being a case of covert Ship-to-Ship Combat (Hot Sub-on-Sub Action? [lol]) comes of as the more bizarre.

Edited by Watchtower on Feb 16th 2022 at 9:02:39 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#140061: Feb 16th 2022 at 6:04:51 PM

The funny thing about the Marvel Zombies episode is that it really shows how small the MCU is.

Like ignoring the relatively small amount of heroes used........ there were barely any villains. Zombie Cull, Corvus, Thanos was the only zombie villains and Thanos only appeared in the last second of the episode.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#140062: Feb 16th 2022 at 6:38:28 PM

I also think we really don't need an entire sequel focusing on the events of that universe.

I'd it supposed to be the same universe for that new show?

[up] Yeah, the concept isn't much fun with only a handful of heroes.

As much as I disparage What If?'s writing as fanficcy, I have to assume the writers aren't literal 14-year-olds obsessed with shipping, and assume either the writer or Lily were being facetious about that.

Lilly said she found it excessive, i don't think she'd be facetious about that.

Edited by Cortez on Feb 16th 2022 at 10:49:44 AM

XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#140063: Feb 16th 2022 at 9:05:24 PM

I'd it supposed to be the same universe for that new show?

It's a little confusing, and naturally vague. So the official logline of the series is the following:

The animated series from Marvel Studios reimagines the Marvel Universe as a new generation of heroes battle against an ever-spreading zombie scourge. Directed by Executive Producer Bryan Andrews and written by Executive Producer Zeb Wells.

But Bryan Andrews further added in a podcast:

"Of course, we revealed that we’re doing a series about Marvel Zombies, continuing the universe that was set up in What If…? [It will] take a look at that universe with a different lens."

The "different lens" part is probably key here. An alternate take on the same universe's events?

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#140064: Feb 16th 2022 at 11:16:55 PM

So do y'all think that the timelines seen in What If are the result of Sylvie killing He Who Remains? Because I'm still signed on to that idea.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#140065: Feb 17th 2022 at 1:37:36 AM

That would raise the issue of what exactly the Watchers were doing while he was around, or where they came from. Were they (or he, if it was just Uatu) just chillaxing on his space sofa knowing that all these alternate universes were about to get deleted?

Could have been some Jurisdiction Friction but I guess we'll never know.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
SAwatching from south africa Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#140066: Feb 17th 2022 at 3:23:24 AM

Some figures were reveled for Thor:LAT It appears that Jane Foster can manipulate the shards of Mjolnir, allowing her to change it into whatever she wants. I think that's pretty cool, says she can put her own spin on mighty Thor.

Sincerely S Awatching.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#140067: Feb 17th 2022 at 3:29:35 AM

Oh damn that’s clever cause that’s also from the comics. After she becomes Valkyrie she gains the shattered remnants of Ultimate Mjolnir (the Mjolnir of Thor from the Ultimate Universe) which was then molded down into a golden bracelet that she can manipulate into turning into any weapon she wants.

That is so dope.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#140068: Feb 17th 2022 at 7:58:20 AM

Titania being the villain of the She Hulk miniseries is interesting to me, as her and Volcana(great idea for a villain powerset, she needs to make a comeback)'s back story is that they were social outcasts and were recruited by Doctor Doom to become his super powered foot soldiers.

I think it's pretty unlikely that Doctor Doom gets introduced in She//hulk, perhaps an obscure reference alluding to him, but even if they swap Doctor Doom out, Titania would signify that the MCU is reaching the point where normal people are able to buy super powers (without ending up as Deathlok) if they're happy to source it to the morally absent.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#140069: Feb 17th 2022 at 1:11:36 PM

So this is interesting. Looks like the directors of Moon Knight have also signed on to direct Loki Season 2.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#140070: Feb 17th 2022 at 1:52:59 PM

Huh, Marvel Studios must be pretty happy with them.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#140071: Feb 17th 2022 at 2:13:01 PM

[up] In fairness, I can see a lot of similarities between Loki and Moon Knight.

Really though, I just want to see Loki use his shapeshifting powers.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#140072: Feb 17th 2022 at 2:15:15 PM

Season 2 is going to have a hell of a time writing their way out of that bizarre cliffhanger that season 1 left them on, so bringing in the Moon Knight person makes sense. They already have experience working with a premise that's a total mindfuck, after all.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#140073: Feb 17th 2022 at 2:31:23 PM

[up]*5: Speaking of which, is there any confirmation of Absorbing Man showing up?

I've always been fond of supervillain couples, and Titania & Absorbing Man are a fun one.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 17th 2022 at 2:31:48 AM

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#140074: Feb 17th 2022 at 2:32:17 PM

Along with any spanners in the works that these multiverse movies are going to introduce.

The legend has returned.
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#140075: Feb 17th 2022 at 3:14:04 PM

I really want to see Absorbing Man in a film so we can see him cut loose. His powerset must look amazing with a budget. No he's not been confirmed yet.

I guess they'd have to figure how canon Agents of SHIELD is, unless they don't use Creel's name for a new absorbing man so they could potentially coexist without contradicting each other.


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