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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#140026: Feb 15th 2022 at 4:02:21 PM

My interpretation of the spell is that it only erased knowledge of Peter Parker from the main MCU universe, so if Deadpool crosses over during Multiverse of Madness, he'd be unaffected by the spell since he wasn't within the affected area at the time.

Edited by Falrinn on Feb 15th 2022 at 4:02:35 AM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#140027: Feb 15th 2022 at 4:46:59 PM

[up] Except Eddie Brock and Venom were affected by the spell, despite not being native to the MCU.

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#140028: Feb 15th 2022 at 6:24:05 PM

I think the answer is obvious. Yes, the spell erased Deadpool's knowledge of Peter Parker's identity. But, later that night, he realized he didn't remember a lot about those movies so he watched them again. Marathoned all three trilogies. Andrew Garfield is his favorite Spidey-Man.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Feb 15th 2022 at 6:24:34 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#140029: Feb 15th 2022 at 6:27:12 PM

Deadpool's fourth wall awareness meant he was aware of the timeline changes that happened with the Fox movies' soft reboot in First Class ("McAvoy or Stewart?"), so Strange's spell should be no problem.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#140030: Feb 15th 2022 at 7:00:27 PM

Speaking of Deadpool, could you imagine the absolute chaos he would sow if he and Moon Knight teamed up?

I'd love for them to take on Dracula and be able to reference all those crazy memes associated with Moon Knight in some way.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Feb 15th 2022 at 7:00:38 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#140031: Feb 16th 2022 at 12:56:30 AM

Huh ya know funny thing.

I just read the first omnibus of Ed Brubaker's legendary Captain America and wow its weird seeing Peggy Carter with blonde hair, instead of resembling Hayley Atwell. Its funny how the MCU has utterly immortalized appearances for certain characters that seeing how they look like before the movies were made is an odd feeling.

Also damn I now feel the burn for how Sharon Carter is treated here. Like wow goes from ever trusting companion of Steve to turncoat criminal mastermind.

That is sad.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#140032: Feb 16th 2022 at 7:21:55 AM

I never read any Captain America comics, so for me it was significantly more interesting to me when they made Sharon the jaded secret villain of The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, rather than her just being a good guy who never really does anything.

Also, based on how much Peggy was expanded on from the get-go, I'm pretty sure the idea of making Sharon comic-accurate was doomed from the start.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Feb 16th 2022 at 7:30:03 AM

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#140033: Feb 16th 2022 at 11:50:17 AM

Sure, but they could've just made her an ally to Sam, morally ambiguous or otherwise. The Marvel Zombies writer explaining that he made her explode because Steve belongs with Peggy only? Sure was a choice.

Edited by AlleyOop on Feb 16th 2022 at 4:35:02 AM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#140034: Feb 16th 2022 at 12:02:08 PM

The show actually started with an alright pitch for taking Sharon out of Peggy's shadow by making her a bit of a shady Wild Card rogue agent but still broadly on the side of the angels. This, in fact, has comic basis, as there was a period Sharon was presumed KIA by SHIELD in a top-secret mission but actually survived in the captivity of a supervillain, subsequently becoming a mercenary and rogue agent (but still moral). In the MCU in particular, Peggy has always been very straight-and-narrow-path trying to get vindication from the system with her moral fortitude, so Sharon being a cynical rogue agent with criminal ties (but still heroic) would have given her a solid niche. It was only when they decided "no she's actually a full-on supervillain now" that things went south.

This would particularly work as a reaction to the fact Peggy's insistence to work within the parameters of the system ultimately did nothing to stem the tide of HYDRA-infested SHIELD, so a Sharon who goes "yeah fuck that" would work. But Falcon and the Winter Soldier was absolutely terrified of coming across as anti-establishment in any way that's not absolutely milquetoast, so this isn't really much of a surprise.

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#140035: Feb 16th 2022 at 1:27:45 PM

The Marvel Zombies writing explaining that he made her explode because Steve belongs with Peggy only? Sure was a choice.

It kinda made the other characters seem like jerks with how they reacted to Sharon being zombified.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#140036: Feb 16th 2022 at 1:37:07 PM

I know one guy on Twitter who was really, really mad that the Wasp's reaction to killing Zombie Sharon was to freak out about how she was covered in her dead remains.

I still admittedly kind of like the episode though, even if I can see why moments like those are what really made people hate it. Personally, I wasn't fond of Peter having a whole Angst? What Angst? reaction to the whole situation, especially after No Way Home. I also think we really don't need an entire sequel focusing on the events of that universe.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Feb 16th 2022 at 1:40:26 AM

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#140037: Feb 16th 2022 at 1:42:40 PM

It seemed unnecessarily meanspirited. Shipping wars and related character hate in fandom is dumb enough as is, but professional creators not being able to rise above that sort of pettiness? Gross. And I've never really been a huge fan of Sharon, but it seems like a lot of needless punching down over a relationship that wasn't even really her fault.

Edited by AlleyOop on Feb 16th 2022 at 4:43:37 AM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#140038: Feb 16th 2022 at 1:57:23 PM

Wait, where did they say it was because of Steve and Peggy?

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#140039: Feb 16th 2022 at 2:16:01 PM

The tweet where I first saw it is gone but during a group Zoom with the actors, one of them (I think it was Evangeline Lilly but I could be remembering wrong) mentioned finding Sharon's fate excessive and the writer handwaved it by telling her Steve belonged with Peggy. It's possible she was joking or exaggerating when she said that, but at the least it's not just viewers who found them making Sharon into a punchline a tad excessive.

Edited by AlleyOop on Feb 16th 2022 at 5:17:55 AM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#140040: Feb 16th 2022 at 2:34:23 PM

Pump the Deadpool in MoM brakes, guys. Ryan Reynolds insists he ain't in it.

And no, he even says he's not lying when the interviewer suggested that.

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#140041: Feb 16th 2022 at 2:47:46 PM

[up] Let's assume he's being true. I have to imagine such a cameo would be way too distracting.

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#140042: Feb 16th 2022 at 2:55:06 PM

Just like how Andrew Garfield insisted he wasn't in No Way Home?

In all honesty, I do actually believe him. It seems like a little much for this movie which already has so much else going on.

Edited by lbssb on Feb 16th 2022 at 2:58:14 AM

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#140043: Feb 16th 2022 at 2:56:09 PM

I mean, if Andrew Garfield and Charlie Cox can constantly lie their asses off for the No Way Home press, I wouldn't 100% trust Reynolds either. Especially since he's a master troll.

In regards to the mean-spirited Sharon thing...I honestly never got that from her death. To me, it was just an example of demonstrating that Anyone Can Die in this universe, and that because she was by herself, she didn't have any backup to protect herself from Zombie Cap. Though if what Lilly said about the writer is true...that's pretty shitty, not gonna lie.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Feb 16th 2022 at 2:56:55 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#140044: Feb 16th 2022 at 2:59:39 PM

There's something funny about how most adaptations including the comics always has Cap able to move on from Peggy.

Of course the comics has recently brought Peggy back from the dead so now he'll never be able to move on from her. tongue

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#140045: Feb 16th 2022 at 3:01:16 PM

As much as I disparage What If?'s writing as fanficcy, I have to assume the writers aren't literal 14-year-olds obsessed with shipping, and assume either the writer or Lily were being facetious about that.

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FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#140046: Feb 16th 2022 at 3:24:54 PM

Being a professional writer doesn't require you to be or make you any less human, as capable of pettiness and bias as anyone else. Especially in this era where most writers are Running the Asylum.

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#140047: Feb 16th 2022 at 3:33:03 PM

We’re at the point where the MCU is more than a decade old and some creators like Chloé Zhao have openly admitted to writing Marvel fanfic. There are definitely those within Marvel who have learned from fanfic communities.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#140048: Feb 16th 2022 at 3:34:45 PM

And to think Kamala Khan is a fanfic writer.

In the comics even shipping Carol with Spider-Man..... which would be kinda awkward here. tongue

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 16th 2022 at 3:35:14 AM

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dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
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#140049: Feb 16th 2022 at 3:41:21 PM

I mean, if Andrew Garfield and Charlie Cox can constantly lie their asses off for the No Way Home press, I wouldn't 100% trust Reynolds either. Especially since he's a master troll.

Then again, that was a Sony film.

But yeah, I don't see how Deadpool would fit into MoM. The only thing an appearance by him would do is maybe allow people to do that "Leo pointing" meme.

Edited by dmcreif on Feb 16th 2022 at 6:42:39 AM

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#140050: Feb 16th 2022 at 3:51:52 PM

[up][up][up] ...Chloe Zhao wrote Marvel fanfiction?

Stop the presses. I need more info on this.

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