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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#139901: Feb 13th 2022 at 7:47:24 PM

I only expect him because he's a big part of the comics versions of the team.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#139902: Feb 13th 2022 at 7:50:20 PM

Not the original line up. T'Challa was against the idea of the team.

Though who knows with variant Black Panther that's not T'Challa.

Edited by Cortez on Feb 13th 2022 at 11:57:37 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#139903: Feb 13th 2022 at 7:57:22 PM

He was a member during the Jonathan Hickman Avengers era.

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 13th 2022 at 7:57:31 AM

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#139904: Feb 13th 2022 at 8:09:03 PM

The team that dealt with multiverse shenanigans had him as a member.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#139905: Feb 13th 2022 at 8:12:22 PM

In terms of success rate, it narrowly edged out the original incarnation.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#139906: Feb 13th 2022 at 8:19:13 PM

This is both true and also doesn't do justice to the fact that they allowed the entire multiverse to be killed off and needed to be bailed out by Doctor Doom appointing himself god.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#139907: Feb 13th 2022 at 8:31:44 PM

If it is him, I just really gotta wonder how Feige managed to convince Patrick Stewart to sign on for this film, given how he seemed pretty definitive that Logan was going to be his last film as Professor X.

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Spirit of Battle
#139908: Feb 13th 2022 at 8:33:46 PM

I'm assuming it was a suitcase full of cash and the promise it will be a one off cameo.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#139909: Feb 13th 2022 at 8:41:16 PM

[up] I mean...yes, that's the obvious answer. But Stewart seems pretty protective of his portrayal, and it would probably be easier to just ask the other guy, since he's successfully portrayed a younger version of the character...

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#139910: Feb 13th 2022 at 8:45:12 PM

[up][up][up][up] Its amazing then that the original incarnation was worse at its job

Edited by Bocaj on Feb 13th 2022 at 11:45:21 AM

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Hawkeye86 Spirit of Battle from Classified (Searching for Spock) Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
Spirit of Battle
#139911: Feb 13th 2022 at 8:46:30 PM

[up][up] With it being a variant, technically his last appearance as *his* Prof X will still be in Logan. I'm also pretty sure they'll want to avoid the younger cast when possible.

Edited by Hawkeye86 on Feb 13th 2022 at 11:48:46 AM

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#139912: Feb 13th 2022 at 8:55:26 PM

I'm also pretty sure they'll want to avoid the younger cast when possible.

Fun fact: Sophie Turner has been dyeing her hair red for the last few months, and everyone thought it was totally going to be for an MOM cameo, and I was satisfied calling these theories delusional. :-(

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#139913: Feb 13th 2022 at 8:59:55 PM

I feel bad for the younger cast to be honest. It's not really their fault that the movies they were part of (outside of First Class) kind of sucked compared to the pre-Days of Future Past films. And while I'll admit I do prefer the OG X-Men actors compared to the "reboot" timeline, I feel that all the new actors deserved a whole lot better.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#139914: Feb 13th 2022 at 9:27:09 PM

Its rather incredible that despite nearly 10 movies and 20 decades, the Foxmen still could not grasp how to actually manage a large cast.

They constantly had the problem of over focusing on the same handful of characters every installment.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#139915: Feb 13th 2022 at 9:34:11 PM

That seems like a money driven decision

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#139916: Feb 13th 2022 at 10:56:11 PM

Any time Wolverine wasnt on screen, the audience should be asking, "where's Wolverine?"

Wolverine did get that heavy push, but it worked.

Edited by Zeromaeus on Feb 13th 2022 at 1:56:19 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#139917: Feb 13th 2022 at 11:02:27 PM

And we got Wolverine Origins for it. tongue

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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#139918: Feb 14th 2022 at 1:03:31 AM

Cause and effect though did eventually give us both Deadpool movies so it's not all too bad.

GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#139919: Feb 14th 2022 at 1:11:08 AM

I was just thinking about Wanda. God, from the perspective of an average person living in the MCU, the way the Avengers handle Wanda must make their blood boil. XD

Cuz ok, first Wanda was a villain, and she mind controlled the Hulk into rampaging through a highly populated city. This is the one event involving the avengers (and future Avenger in Wanda's case) that never comes up in Civil war, despite that film supposedly trying to hold the Avengers accountable for their actions, probably because it would look really bad combined with the events of that movie, where Wanda also gets a bunch of Wakandan Ambassadors killed. THEN, she goes off and brainwashes an entire town full of innocent people (a process that is both very terrifying and very painful) all so she can play housewife.

Surely Wanda should be under some kind of lockdown or leash, right? I get that she's probably too powerful, but what does that say? is it really a good thing that the world has to kowtow to wanda just because she's hideously powerful? I'm not saying she should to be treated like shit, but get her some help.

Edited by GNinja on Feb 14th 2022 at 9:12:08 AM

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#139920: Feb 14th 2022 at 1:20:22 AM

Between Wanda, Clint Barton, and John Walker, it felt to me like the MCU last year had a recurring issue of “this character did awful crimes but they’re due for sequels so they just say ‘sorry kinda’ then run away without any real recompense to their victims.”

The closest example to an atonement arc is Bucky, who wasn’t even in control of his body during the acts in question.

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#139921: Feb 14th 2022 at 1:27:35 AM

probably because it would look really bad combined with the events of that movie, where Wanda also gets a bunch of Wakandan Ambassadors killed.

What? No, she didn't have anything to do with that.

GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#139922: Feb 14th 2022 at 1:31:28 AM

[up] Sorry. Who were the Wakandans who got blown up by Crossbones' suicide bomb at the beginning of the movie? Were they just Wakandan tourists?

Edited by GNinja on Feb 14th 2022 at 9:33:06 AM

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#139923: Feb 14th 2022 at 1:35:05 AM

Oh, I thought you were talking about the UN bombing. Uh, I don't think you can blame Wanda for Crossbones blowing himself up and hurting people.

GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#139924: Feb 14th 2022 at 1:53:48 AM

[up] It's more that Wanda used her power to redirect the blast... into a building full of people.

It is by far the least egregious thing Wanda has ever done, but the optics of it were really bad.

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#139925: Feb 14th 2022 at 1:55:08 AM

She just threw it straight up in a panic, with only a few seconds left on the timer.


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