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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#139826: Feb 12th 2022 at 8:53:42 PM

I don't know if that's actually true in the MCU. He was rescued by soviet soldiers and has a red star in his mechanical arm, but he's only ever seen working for HYDRA (a global organization). Bucky is more the ultimate HYDRA soldier who just so happens to have been handled by the Russian branch for a matter of geographic practicality.

Red Guardian is more straightforward a Soviet superhero, so I think he'd see Bucky as some kind of Fifth Column type of guy, serving the nazis scum infiltrated in glorious mother russia.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#139827: Feb 12th 2022 at 9:38:10 PM

He was rescued by soviet soldiers and has a red star in his mechanical arm, but he's only ever seen working for HYDRA (a global organization). Bucky is more the ultimate HYDRA soldier who just so happens to have been handled by the Russian branch for a matter of geographic practicality.

Wouldn't that theoretically mean that there were *actual* fifth columnists in the MCU Soviet Union working with Hydra?

Edited by Diana1969 on Feb 13th 2022 at 4:38:31 AM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#139828: Feb 12th 2022 at 10:09:10 PM

Presumably, yes. HYDRA had deep cover agents in the US in WWII (see the guy who kills Erskine and declares himself "the first of many"), so they probably had in the Soviet Union as well.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#139829: Feb 12th 2022 at 10:14:45 PM

I guess Andrey Vlasov was a Hydra agent in the MCU.

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#139830: Feb 13th 2022 at 12:29:17 AM

In the MCU there were presumably THREE "sides" to the Cold War - Russia and their allies, America and their allies, and also Hydra going round infiltrating both and stirring up trouble for their own agenda.

Hydra wasn't going to engage in open war with either of the other two but it would exploit both.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#139831: Feb 13th 2022 at 12:30:52 AM

So, basically, SPECTRE.

Edited by RavenWilder on Feb 13th 2022 at 12:31:09 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#139832: Feb 13th 2022 at 12:56:49 AM

Reminder they can pretty much do a Cold War centered product with Bucky.

Like the face off he had with Isaiah in the Korean War.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#139833: Feb 13th 2022 at 10:48:51 AM

It would be really curious to see how the Soviet Union operated in the MCU. I mean, we got a small taste of it in Black Widow, but I'd really like to see them before falling in 1991.

I know some people were curious about the idea of a series focusing on S.H.I.E.L.D's years in the 60s, 70s, and 80s. Sending agents to the Soviet Union could totally be a plot point.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#139834: Feb 13th 2022 at 10:50:02 AM

It would be really curious to see how the Soviet Union operated in the MCU.

There was Leviathan in Agent Carter, but I don't really remember much of it.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#139835: Feb 13th 2022 at 10:53:07 AM

[up] I actually haven't seen Agent Carter yet. It and Daredevil are on my list since they seem like the shows worth investing in the most to me, but I haven't gotten around to it yet.

Agent Carter in particular though is a really cool TV concept. Like, seeing Peggy do epic missions in the late forties and early fifties sounds really fascinating.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#139836: Feb 13th 2022 at 10:58:48 AM

The question is there to be asked if the Soviets had a full-on SHIELD counterpart or if it was just the Red Room. Given the presence of Red Guardian, it wouldn't surprise me if they just elevated the Winter Guard to the role of Soviet SHIELD rather than Soviet/Russian Avengers (given the MCU seems to be entirely absent of that concept).

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#139837: Feb 13th 2022 at 11:23:54 AM

I remember when Agent Carter first released there was a lot of fan anticipation that there might be time skips between seasons so we'd see SHIELD and Peggy across multiple decades.

Peggy Carter life story effectively.

Which honestly would probably have been wasted on Marvel TV back then when the MCU backstory hadn't been filled in.

A Peggy Carter life story series now would be fascinating though. We have superheroes established to have operated during the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s.

Not sure that life-story-like stories function in live action TV. But maybe five seasons with ten year time skips between each season would work, or perhaps 5 year time skips to keep it from being too jarring.

Meistro2021 Since: Jul, 2021
#139838: Feb 13th 2022 at 11:33:19 AM

Alright I just thought of a new theory.

Here:

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     Alternate Thanos Theory 
A relative of Thanos will get revenge on The Avengers
Well, Nebula was saddened at the death of her adoptive father, despite all the horrible things Thanos has done to her. So, instead it will be just a
  • Except, it will be an alternate relative of him.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#139839: Feb 13th 2022 at 11:41:08 AM

[up][up] I feel like the best way to go about it would be pitch a animated series about SHIELD with Peggy as the central character. Make it anthology like where each season covers a snapshots of a decade of SHIELD's existence. So 1950's, 1960's, 1970's, 1980's, 1990's and 00's.

The three last decades in particular have potential given it's during them we have the Hank Pym business, Fury becoming director, Barton-Natasha recruitment, Pierce's downfall.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#139840: Feb 13th 2022 at 11:55:01 AM

Could even have young Hawkeye being a villan in the 90!

Not to mention Blade, Eros, and Mar'vell kicking about doing hero stuff.

Ishrah Bradley, Winter Soldier, Red Gaurdian, the ten rings, the original Black Knight, Hank, Jen, Goliath.

Part of me really wants to introduce Wonder-man and his brother the Grim Reaper in the 60s and 70s, because they're kind of a big deal to Avengers lore, but it's hard to introduce them once Vision already exists.

Also Tigra feels so 70s and 80s to me, not for any reason I can put my finger on, but she just feels at home there.

Though you can't introduce too many super heroes retroactively, because Phase 1, 2 and 3 are meant to be depicting a superhero boom in the present. It also makes those heroes more difficult to depict in the present.

An animated series is definitely the way to go in terms of allowing a large range of characters to cameo.

Edited by Whowho on Feb 13th 2022 at 7:58:10 PM

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#139841: Feb 13th 2022 at 11:58:05 AM

I was gonna say Charles and Erik might be a unique choice to do mid-century Marvel until I remembered First Class exists.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#139842: Feb 13th 2022 at 11:58:17 AM

“Also Tigra feels so 70s and 80s to me, not for any reason I can put my finger on, but she just feels at home there.”

It’s the hair

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Whowho Since: May, 2012
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#139844: Feb 13th 2022 at 12:01:11 PM

If they do Charles Xavier in the MCU, are they going to base him off the Fox-Men's interpretation of the character, or are they gonna make him Truer to the Text? I'm curious how the American manipulative politician would work in the MCU, but I'm also curious if the X-Men Film fans will like it.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#139845: Feb 13th 2022 at 12:05:21 PM

There was Leviathan in Agent Carter, but I don't really remember much of it.

Leviathan wasn’t really big or Soviet-affiliated, it was like four people total, and their goal was revenge on Howard Stark.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Feb 13th 2022 at 12:07:21 PM

Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#139846: Feb 13th 2022 at 12:11:45 PM

Leviathan wasn’t really big or Soviet-affiliated

I know in the comics it's explicitly a Soviet organization, but I swear I remember in Agent Carter that they said it was founded by Stalin.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#139847: Feb 13th 2022 at 12:15:35 PM

Maybe so, it’s been a while since I watched the show too. I guess those mooks in the Red Room ambush had to come from someplace.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#139848: Feb 13th 2022 at 12:16:16 PM

Real question, will Phil Coulson raise from the grave again?Agents of shield resurrected him with Kree tech last time I checked

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#139849: Feb 13th 2022 at 12:17:43 PM

Better yet will he sell his soul to Satan? tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#139850: Feb 13th 2022 at 12:18:47 PM

Mephisto chuckles

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