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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#139803: Feb 12th 2022 at 8:44:46 AM

Me: Man, Warren Ellis showed some cool stuff like that Mr. Knight persona on Moon Knight. Too bad the guy's a grooming asshat, so I guess we won't see any stuff from his run any time soon—

Mr. Knight: You rang?

Me: Oh, damn. Did not see this coming. surprised

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#139804: Feb 12th 2022 at 9:01:32 AM

To be fair here, the costume would be evidently more accurately the work of Declan Shalvey (i.e the artist who drew it) than Ellis.

He's in fact quite happy about it, apparently.

Edited by Gaon on Feb 12th 2022 at 9:02:44 AM

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#139805: Feb 12th 2022 at 9:29:25 AM

It is so bizzare to see stuff go from your brain to the literal tangible real world.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#139806: Feb 12th 2022 at 9:58:24 AM

Wait, I'm confused. How did Moon Knight go from a Badass Cape In the Hood to a Badass in a Nice Suit that looks like Slender Man if he were a magician?

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#139807: Feb 12th 2022 at 10:01:53 AM

Mr. Knight is another one of his alters.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#139808: Feb 12th 2022 at 10:05:24 AM

Yeah Mr Knight is kind of a different superhero to Moonknight who exists and operates parralel to each other? I think?

Moonknight is Marc Spector's take on being the Fist on Konshu, Mr Knight is Mr Knight's.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#139809: Feb 12th 2022 at 10:09:27 AM

They aren't the same person?

Then who's Mr. Knight?

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#139810: Feb 12th 2022 at 10:13:53 AM

One of Marc Spector's dissociated identities along with Steve Grant.

Guy has Dissociative Identity Dissorder.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#139811: Feb 12th 2022 at 10:16:11 AM

Comic book Dissociative Identity Dissorder is more like having multiple Jeckles alongside Mr.Hydes

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#139812: Feb 12th 2022 at 10:23:43 AM

Mr. Knight's status as an alter is a tad nebulous. He appears to be something akin to a Split-Personality Merge sort of deal (i.e all personalities combined into one). He's almost never identified as an actual separate personality (particularly given Ellis' run largely eschews the DID thing).

Edited by Gaon on Feb 12th 2022 at 10:25:43 AM

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#139813: Feb 12th 2022 at 10:25:04 AM

Yeah nebulous is the word.

Edited by Whowho on Feb 12th 2022 at 6:25:28 PM

Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#139814: Feb 12th 2022 at 10:35:39 AM

To be fair here, the costume would be evidently more accurately the work of Declan Shalvey (i.e the artist who drew it) than Ellis.

Technically speaking, the first appearance of the suit was during Secret Avengers, Ellis' run, with art by Michael Lark and Stefano Gaudiano.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#139815: Feb 12th 2022 at 10:37:19 AM

I thought Marc only had two other personalities outside of Moon Knight and his own, those being Steven Grant (normally a multimillionaire, but appears to be different here) and some guy who works as a cab driver.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Altris from the Vortex Since: Aug, 2019 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#139817: Feb 12th 2022 at 10:44:08 AM

[up][up] Mr. Knight’s relatively recent IIRC, we’ve only really discussed the other four because no one expected him to appear so soon.

Also: AOS is leaving Netflix as well.

Edited by EmeraldEmperor on Feb 12th 2022 at 1:54:12 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#139818: Feb 12th 2022 at 11:16:32 AM

I think Mr. Knight is more of a variant on the Moon Knight state than a full on different personality.

He is more detective focused and affable, prone to talking to people than the normal Moon Knight state.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#139819: Feb 12th 2022 at 1:00:23 PM

Marc Spector's got even more alters on top of that, but they're not nearly as noteworthy.

Marc, Steve, Lockley (the cab driver) and Mr Knight are the big four.

Edit: and yeah, Mr Knight's status is a little ambiguous in the comics.

Edited by Whowho on Feb 12th 2022 at 9:02:22 AM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#139820: Feb 12th 2022 at 1:09:17 PM

It's usually four alters at a time: Marc Spector (the mercenary soldier), Jake Lockley (the working class cabbie), Steve Grant (the Rich Idiot With No Day Job) and the fabled Moon Knight/Mr. Knight (if you count him, he replaces MK).

The numerical four is important because it tends to be addressed as each identity/alter represents one of the main four phases of the moon: new moon, first quarter (represented by the waning crescent), full moon, and last quarter (represented by the waxing crescent). I don't think there has ever been a 1:1 of moon phases to each personality (although one would obviously guess the full moon is Moon Knight), but the numerelogical motif tends to pop up.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#139821: Feb 12th 2022 at 1:11:12 PM

Dude has too many sock puppets if you ask me,each with their own backstory as well

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#139822: Feb 12th 2022 at 1:28:40 PM

[up] If Moon Knight were on TV Tropes, he'd be the ultimate ban evader.

[up][up] Kind of cool how each of his personalities is based on the moon's phases actually. Though now I have to wonder what Jake Lockley is gonna be like, seeing as though Steven Grant seems to have taken his place as the "working class hero", at least based on the trailer.

Do each of Spector's personalities have different power/intelligence levels based on what phase of the moon it is?

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#139823: Feb 12th 2022 at 1:42:03 PM

No, it's not normally tied as directly as that - any single one of the alters can be dominant at any time of the month. The exact reason that the change occurs and how much of a conscious choice it is also seems to be variable Depending on the Writer.

Sometimes he can willingly switch to an alter best suited to the situation, sometimes it is a bit of a Hulk Out deal and sometimes on between.

Mr Knight is significant in that he seems to be an alter that Marc deliberately created/adopted as a "best of all worlds" option.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#139824: Feb 12th 2022 at 1:42:09 PM

Yeah the decision to give Jake's role to Steve is a little strange, though they're seeemingly playing Steve here as very mild, vulnerable and a bit of a Nervous Wreck. Jake Lockley tends to be more of a rough, gritty blue-collar guy (despite that description, he's consistently the most moral of the four).

As for the moon thing, it's as I said, I don't think they've ever done a 1:1 of phases to the moon to each personalty per see. The only case that's reasonably clear-cut is Moon Knight with the Full Moon, as MK is explicitly stated to be sharper and more powerful during a full moon and weaker during a lunar eclipse.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#139825: Feb 12th 2022 at 8:41:05 PM

Heh here's a funny character meet-up, Red Guardian and Bucky.

Like Guardian always prided himself as being Russia's Captain America but the Winter Soldier was more Russia's ultimate warrior than he was and the Winter Soldier wasn't even an actual Russian but a brainwashed American soldier.

Be amusing to know what Guardian thinks of Bucky.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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