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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#139751: Feb 11th 2022 at 8:00:49 AM

As mentioned above, they can implement a parental control system.

Pam & Tommy, a show about Pam Anderson's sex tape scandal, is on the Star Disney+ imprint in the UK, for example.

Edited by Synchronicity on Feb 11th 2022 at 10:02:26 AM

jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#139752: Feb 11th 2022 at 8:02:12 AM

It's just that, I don't know, that really doesn't fit the branding... Foreign markets are much smaller than the US, I could see there being more complaints. But I do agree the age of Hulu is coming to an end, everyone wants to create their own streaming services.

Edited by jjjj2 on Feb 11th 2022 at 11:06:21 AM

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Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#139753: Feb 11th 2022 at 10:06:30 AM

Non-US markets in Disney literally have an entire subsection called Star where all their content that doesn't fit the branding goes, including stuff that's on Hulu and FX.

I almost guarantee that once it's in their best interests to ditch Hulu, they'll just add the Star hub to the US section and that'll be the end of it.

Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#139754: Feb 11th 2022 at 10:51:01 AM

Not in Latin America.

Here, Star is a entirely different service. You can get a discount if you subscribe to both D+ and Star+, but they're two different apps, you can't enter to S+ trough D+.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#139755: Feb 11th 2022 at 12:13:04 PM

IIRC the Netflix deal had a time limit, rights revert back to Marvel once a certain number of years had passed. The characters (and the actors playing them) went back to Marvel 5 years after the shows were canceled.

That was for rights to make media with the characters themselves, and that date passed a while ago.

The reason this is so confusing is that regardless of who has the production rights, those specific shows should still belong to Netflix since Netflix are the ones who created them. This is kind of baffling tbh.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#139756: Feb 11th 2022 at 12:15:51 PM

It's possible Disney and Netflix made some kind of other backroom arrangement so the shows themselves also belong to Disney now. Maybe Disney went "give me the shows and you keep some unspecified disney property". No idea, though.

Edited by Gaon on Feb 11th 2022 at 12:17:33 PM

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#139757: Feb 11th 2022 at 12:38:18 PM

The reason this is so confusing is that regardless of who has the production rights, those specific shows should still belong to Netflix since Netflix are the ones who created them. This is kind of baffling tbh.

As I recall, the greenlighting and cancellation authority lay with Netflix. I distinctly remember Ted Sarandos saying something in between the cancellations of Iron Fist and Luke Cage about "these shows are ours [Netflix's] to cancel".

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XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#139758: Feb 11th 2022 at 1:13:17 PM

Marvel Television and ABC Studios (the same Disney-owned companies that worked on for Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.) have always been the main production companies for these series (among some extra non-Netflix affiliated studios).

Much like a lot of third-party shows on the platform, Netflix namely serves as a distributor, which does involve what dmcreif explained.

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#139760: Feb 11th 2022 at 1:36:16 PM

I'm glad I finished re-watching these shows when they did. This is why I always prefer physical media when possible. They can't take that away from you.

On the other hand, if they really are being moved to Disney+... maybe they'll get continued there...?

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#139761: Feb 11th 2022 at 2:51:44 PM

I think Netflix characters appearing in Hawkeye and No Way Home does give Disney / Marvel a fair amount of leverage when bargaining.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#139762: Feb 11th 2022 at 2:55:49 PM

I still have to wonder how much Disney is willing to let Marvel let with the Netflix characters.

Also, if Luke Cage comes back, how're they going to explain Copperhead and Eric Brooks being Identical Strangers?

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#139763: Feb 11th 2022 at 3:00:58 PM

Cottonmouth, and they don’t have to.

Edited by Cross on Feb 11th 2022 at 6:02:45 AM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#139764: Feb 11th 2022 at 3:02:05 PM

I think you mean Cottonmouth.

And probably as much as Miriam Sharpe and Mariah Dillard looking the same - not at all.

Edited by Forenperser on Feb 11th 2022 at 12:02:15 PM

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#139765: Feb 11th 2022 at 3:08:16 PM

I'm just sad because Luke Cage season 2 ended on a massive thematic downer, and it's likely that we'll either never see how that resolves, or Luke Cage will show up acting all snarky in some other show and only vaguely hint at what happened in his past.

Edited by GNinja on Feb 11th 2022 at 11:09:57 AM

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#139766: Feb 11th 2022 at 3:23:44 PM

Iron Fist Season 2 also ended on a lot of open, potential plot threads.

And I don't care how many of you are hating on Finn Jones, I wanted to see more tongue

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#139767: Feb 11th 2022 at 3:25:26 PM

I was curious as to what was going to happen as well.

But I think we all accepted that Iron Fist was not going to come back as he was.

It's surprising that the others beyond Charlie Cox and Vincent Donofrio are done though.

I figured Jessica and Luke would get their shot as well.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#139768: Feb 11th 2022 at 3:25:27 PM

The funny thing is ditching the whole Netflix gritty aesthetic would be great for IF.

It never fit the character and was just the result of Netflix pigeonholing IF into the same tone as the rest of the hardcore gritty shows.

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#139769: Feb 11th 2022 at 3:33:47 PM

I kinda want more gritty Marvel stuff to be honest. Maybe it didn't fit Iron fist specifically, but still.

Like, for a while, the refrain was that superhero media was too afraid to embrace some of the sillier aspects of comic books. Now, I think they've so thoroughly embraced all that stuff that I kinda want some of the grittiness back. XD

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#139770: Feb 11th 2022 at 3:37:47 PM

I definitely think most of the Netflix shows were better off with their gritty tone. The fight scenes in Daredevil particularly won a lot of tension through their brutality. You felt the impact of every punch.

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#139771: Feb 11th 2022 at 3:39:04 PM

There is nothing wrong with gritty, just that in the specific case of IF going gritty was the wrong way to go about it.

IF should have had a tone more similar to Shang-Chi.

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#139772: Feb 11th 2022 at 3:41:57 PM

And the worst thing in the Netflix shows was the Hand, which was probably one of the series' more out there concepts.

I don't know why they used the god damn Hand so much. They were never interesting. XD

Edited by GNinja on Feb 11th 2022 at 11:46:09 AM

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#139773: Feb 11th 2022 at 3:43:57 PM

Well I mean I kinda see why, they needed a larger-than-life threat that would be big enough to tie all the shows together. But it could not be TOO big either, since it would still have to be a Streetlevel-Threat, not Avengers-Level stuff.

An army of Ninjas will do there.

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Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#139774: Feb 11th 2022 at 3:46:49 PM

Didn't help that Loeb is a massive racist.

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#139775: Feb 11th 2022 at 3:58:07 PM

I think Netflix characters appearing in Hawkeye and No Way Home does give Disney / Marvel a fair amount of leverage when bargaining.

I suspect the opposite, actually.

That Disney bought out or otherwise acquired the distribution rights for the Netflix shows is, in my opinion, undoubtedly the reason why suddenly characters like Matt Murdock and Wilson Fisk are being canonized. Now that Disney owns the shows, there's no reason for them not to be.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Feb 11th 2022 at 3:58:26 AM

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