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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#139701: Feb 9th 2022 at 3:37:57 PM

I wonder if maybe Wanda was subconsciously influencing Ultron? Like how she shut down that Stark missile as child?

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#139702: Feb 9th 2022 at 3:44:23 PM

Wanda’s subconscious: “Swiggity swooty, you crave this booty”

Ultron: “Apparently I have a libido. Fun!”

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#139703: Feb 9th 2022 at 4:00:44 PM

Y'all can have your own thoughts; I am completely fine with sex and/or nudity on screen as long as the actors involved aren't being exploited. At least, if we're going to get all preachy about sex when assigning ratings, we should treat it and violence in an equivalent manner. You can have hundreds of bodies on screen with a PG-13 rating but a "dirty" body part pokes out and it's straight to the R bucket. You can have blood and guts squirting out of orifices but as soon as a penis appears, the Moral Guardians go into paroxysms of performative outrage. (Yes, I am slightly exaggerating, but not much.)

There's nothing shameful about sexuality except what we create in our minds (assuming consent from all parties, of course).

Now, the MCU isn't too bad about this. It's got a few brutal maimings, like what Hela does to Thor's eye, but overall the violence is mostly in the "knock them down a bunch" and "obliterate hordes of CGI monsters" categories. I wouldn't say that it contributes to the hypocrisy of our attitudes so much as fails to meaningfully challenge it.

Edited by Fighteer on Feb 9th 2022 at 7:01:54 AM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#139704: Feb 9th 2022 at 4:09:50 PM

"I mean, he did seem genuinely sad when Wanda betrayed him. That moment always stuck with me, actually.

He's very soft spoken with Wanda in the final act of AOU. He's even like "You need to save yourself" at one point. "

Is intersting because ultron in many ways is based on tony stark mind just unfettred, like his opinion on cap? that is something tony would said(hell spiderman telling cap what tony tell him just reinforce this point).

If you can use Utron in a way to see what tony belive the result is....intersting, to said the least.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#139705: Feb 9th 2022 at 4:21:15 PM

A reminder that the guy who started this discussion is Steven Soderbergh, AKA the Magic Mike guy. He might be a tad biased when it comes to sex in media.

dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#139706: Feb 9th 2022 at 4:30:25 PM

I wonder if maybe Wanda was subconsciously influencing Ultron? Like how she shut down that Stark missile as child?

It leads me to ask other things like, was Ultron's crash-landing right outside the church near where Wanda was standing just pure chance or did Wanda's reality warping subconsciously manipulate that in a "the murderbot killed my brother, bring him to me" way?

Okey Dokey!
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#139707: Feb 9th 2022 at 4:32:35 PM

Christ Wanda is beginning to sound like a magnet

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GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#139708: Feb 9th 2022 at 4:35:52 PM

I mean, I never liked Wanda's powers, honestly. (but then, I don't like it when any character has god like powers. It's good for one off stories where you can really explore the concept, but then you have to dance around their powers to make other conflicts work)

Like, if she controls luck then she can just make anything happen.

Edited by GNinja on Feb 9th 2022 at 12:39:02 PM

Kaze ni Nare!
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#139709: Feb 9th 2022 at 4:58:32 PM

Well, it makes sense that she's a magnet, because her lover is a robot.

The legend has returned.
chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#139710: Feb 9th 2022 at 5:02:46 PM

"I am Wanda, Master of Magnet!"

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#139711: Feb 9th 2022 at 5:49:47 PM

[up] *cue Death Glare from Erik Lehnsherr*

Edited by MatthewWayne on Feb 9th 2022 at 5:49:59 AM

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#139712: Feb 9th 2022 at 6:08:37 PM

RE chasemaddigan's post - Something I notice with those examples is that they aren't at all "romantic". Most of them are to establish the male character as cool/manly. And there isn't a suggestion in a lot of them of the character being caring towards their partner (in some cases, quite the opposite).

I'm also thinking of the scene with Tony and Christina (Cristina?) the reporter, in the first Iron Man movie.

So, I'd say that while I'm not advocating for more explicit sex in the MCU, some more romance would be nice.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#139713: Feb 9th 2022 at 7:27:28 PM

You know what villain I want to see in the MCU? Mojo.

Specifically I want to see Mojo drag MCU heroes and villains alike into some kind of creepy extradimensional Squid Games show.

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#139714: Feb 9th 2022 at 7:29:28 PM

That would be a new story we haven't done.

The whole death game thing, it would be pretty out there.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#139715: Feb 9th 2022 at 7:39:38 PM

Still have not seen that show.

But it's an interesting idea for characters to run a death course. Would really challenge the stunt actors. I wonder who would participate?

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Meistro2021 Since: Jul, 2021
#139716: Feb 9th 2022 at 8:18:40 PM

I wanna ask, since a few other MCU Films are confirmed to be in development, what other MCU Movies do you think they might make in the future?

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#139717: Feb 9th 2022 at 8:21:31 PM

Speaking of villains, this conversation about sex in superhero media reminds me that the Sensational She-Hulk had a villain who was an anti-sex crusader.

DoubleOG (Apprentice)
#139718: Feb 9th 2022 at 8:40:20 PM

You cant just say that and not give us a name and context.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#139719: Feb 9th 2022 at 10:30:07 PM

His name is Jasper Keaton. He's an evil businessman whose savings and loan was facing seizure by the government, which lead to him trying to find a stolen bomb in order to return it to them in exchange for not seizing his company. He also founded the American Purity Foundation and led an anti-smut campaign in 1968 in a failed attempt to clean up the Haight-Ashbury district of San Francisco. He even sponsored the creation of Captain Rectitude, a superhero whose biological drives were replaced with a strong anti-sex instinct.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#139722: Feb 10th 2022 at 5:33:39 AM

Uh their is weirder. Marvel has done every weird variation of Evil CEO around. Like tv producers who...sell chemical weapons.

Their was also that time Dario Agger created a genetically mofided species of Bear to eat the worlds Salmon supplies. So he could maximise his own farmed salmon profits. No really.

Edited by miraculous on Feb 10th 2022 at 5:35:08 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#139723: Feb 10th 2022 at 5:37:20 AM

Well thats corporate espionage. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#139724: Feb 10th 2022 at 5:48:00 AM

Marvel also had the Quiet Man, a guy who engaged in all sorts of corporate and political shenanigans to ruin the Fantastic Four's lives...because he was a creepy Stalker with a Crush for Sue Storm during college. And he never got over her marrying Reed even though the guy never once approached her himself.

Fantastical elements aside, it's a disturbingly realistic motivation — just look at Eliot Rodger.

Edited by M84 on Feb 10th 2022 at 9:48:41 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised

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