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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#139676: Feb 9th 2022 at 2:15:58 PM

I think almost all sex scenes are just bad. They're uncomfortable to watch, presumably uncomfortable to film and a lot of them don't even add anything to the plot. If desired, you can still make it clear that the characters had sex without having a full sex scene

dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#139677: Feb 9th 2022 at 2:16:04 PM

[up][up] It leads to IKEA Erotica.

I'd say this is less of a criticism and more a declaration of personal taste, but objectively, I dunno what super-hero films he's seen, but while there isn't much in the way of explicit sex scenes in super-hero films, there are a lot of super-hero films with implied sex.

We had Tony do Christine Everhart in Iron Man. That's the one explicit example onscreen in the MCU.

They also do strongly imply that Wanda and Vision were having sex before Infinity War. Their first scene in Infinity War has them sharing a bed. She's shown sitting up in bed drinking tea in just shorts and a blouse while Vision walks away to open the curtains. And that's before her and Hex Vision sliding the beds together in WandaVision.

Edited by dmcreif on Feb 9th 2022 at 5:16:44 AM

Okey Dokey!
Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#139678: Feb 9th 2022 at 2:18:36 PM

In recent (read: post-Weinstein) years there's been a buzz around hiring intimacy coordinators while filming people go at it, to ensure everyone especially the actors is comfortable onset and it never gets too skeevy.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#139679: Feb 9th 2022 at 2:22:11 PM

That's the one explicit example onscreen in the MCU.

Aside from the aforementioned Eternals scene.

Personally, I don't really care for romance in film and I care even less about sex scenes. When it comes to my writing, my brother often jokingly asks how the human population still exists in the fictional universes I write given everybody seems to be aromantic asexuals with no interest in reproduction. So I'd be the last person to complain here.

Edited by Gaon on Feb 9th 2022 at 2:22:57 AM

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#139680: Feb 9th 2022 at 2:24:21 PM

Don't worry, I am sitting here unironically awaiting Bridgerton season 2. There's something for everyone.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#139681: Feb 9th 2022 at 2:25:09 PM

[up][up][up][up] I never got the impression they had sex. I always thought they were just sleeping in the same bed. Especially since it's not clear if the (real) Vision has genitalia or not.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Feb 9th 2022 at 2:25:40 AM

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#139682: Feb 9th 2022 at 2:25:38 PM

I mean, if he can give himself a cape...

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#139683: Feb 9th 2022 at 2:26:51 PM

[up] If he did give himself genitals, that leads to a whole lot of questions for me that I don't really want answers to.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Feb 9th 2022 at 2:27:13 AM

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#139684: Feb 9th 2022 at 2:27:07 PM

Dildos also exist....

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#139685: Feb 9th 2022 at 2:27:39 PM

I mean, they were married with children... sort-of.

As much as this is a wild sentence to say, the level of technology that makes up Vision should make it easily possible to create some sort of functional robo-penis.

Edited by HalfFaust on Feb 9th 2022 at 10:28:55 AM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#139686: Feb 9th 2022 at 2:28:30 PM

[up] I'm talking about the real Vision (before he got destroyed by Thanos), not the Westview one.

Like I said before, if the real Vision had sex with Wanda...questions. Lots of questions.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Feb 9th 2022 at 2:29:13 AM

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#139687: Feb 9th 2022 at 2:29:20 PM

As much as I loved the Netflix shows, their sex scenes were the worst, most cringe-inducing part.

Jessica Jones was the biggest offender on this. I will say though that Trish's sex scenes could be used from a character standpoint as a way of illustrating some of her bad taste in guys; she was quick to jump into a sexual relationship with Simpson two episodes after he tried to kill her while under Kilgrave's control (as Jessica points out), and then she threw herself at Malcolm in season 2 almost immediately after dumping Griffin (and while she was under the influence of Simpson's enhancers).

With Luke Cage, the sex scene between Luke and Misty was tolerable considering that it does have payoff for the plot (Scarfe gets Misty to tell him where they did it, and coupled with being able to access Misty's phone's location history, he's able to sell Luke out to Cottonmouth).

Daredevil only did one explicit sex scene (a flashback between Matt and Elektra), and it was very plot relevant. They employed cutaways otherwise (Foggy and Marci in both seasons 1 and 3; Fisk and Vanessa in season 1). Actually, Charlie Cox got the writers to steer away from an implied sex scene because Matt was originally meant to sleep with Claire after he rescued her from the Russians.

But as a lifelong romcom/period romance fan, it's totally possible to write a good and intimate romance without any badonking.

To give good examples, the whole scene in the first episode of Daredevil where Matt brings Karen to his apartment and she changes into one of his shirts and the subsequent conversation they have on the couch. Or their first kiss in the rain in season 2.

Okey Dokey!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#139688: Feb 9th 2022 at 2:47:14 PM

I'm reminded of this hilarious bit how the leads of Fifty Shades of Grey hated filming the sex scenes because they really don't like each other much.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#139689: Feb 9th 2022 at 2:49:24 PM

[up] Were there any scenes that the leads enjoyed filming? I don't know for certain because I refused to watch that movie, but they both looked utterly miserable in the trailers.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#139690: Feb 9th 2022 at 2:52:31 PM

Especially since it's not clear if the (real) Vision has genitalia or not.

Whedon attempted to leave no ambiguity about that. tongue

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#139692: Feb 9th 2022 at 2:53:37 PM

Why would Ultron give himself a penis?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#139693: Feb 9th 2022 at 2:54:41 PM

Oh lordy,this discussion has gotten LEWD

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#139694: Feb 9th 2022 at 2:54:50 PM

“I was meant to be beautiful.” he said. That’s why he was so angry in the third act. Or maybe it was his Tony half talking. tongue

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#139695: Feb 9th 2022 at 2:58:10 PM

Ultron wanted to replace humanity and I guess he wanted to keep penises around

Edit: anyway having read a lot of avengers the idea that Vision probably has a penis is just water off the duck

Edited by Bocaj on Feb 9th 2022 at 5:59:26 AM

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#139696: Feb 9th 2022 at 2:59:18 PM

Guess he wanted to bang Wanda.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#139697: Feb 9th 2022 at 3:00:49 PM

I mean, he did seem genuinely sad when Wanda betrayed him. That moment always stuck with me, actually.

He's very soft spoken with Wanda in the final act of AOU. He's even like "You need to save yourself" at one point.

Edited by GNinja on Feb 9th 2022 at 11:01:20 AM

Kaze ni Nare!
chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#139698: Feb 9th 2022 at 3:04:38 PM

If we're bringing up MCU instalments with sexual elements (not counting discussions about sex, dick jokes, or the like), some other examples include:

  • The Incredible Hulk had a scene where Bruce and Betty are about to have sex, but stop when they realize it could cause Bruce to Hulk Out.
  • The opening to Iron Man 3 shows that Tony had a one-night stand with Maya Hansen, even if it doesn't get too explicit with it.
  • Guardians of the Galaxy shows that Quill had a one-night stand with Bereet in the opening (again, not explicitly shown).
  • Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 shows Yondu having just slept with a prostitute.
  • Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. had a handful of episodes showing characters about to have sex with each other.

There's probably more I'm missing, and maybe I'm veering to far off the point since these aren't really sex scenes. I just wanted to bring them up for completionist's sake. tongue

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#139699: Feb 9th 2022 at 3:15:22 PM

Gunn put rough bathroom sex in the first episode of Peacemaker, if that contextualizes those Guardians ones any tongue

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#139700: Feb 9th 2022 at 3:25:36 PM

Again with the intimacy thing, it doesn't even have to be about romance (although in contemporary media it's usually only romantic relationships that are expected to reach that level of closeness, which as someone on the ace spectrum I find somewhat frustrating). The example I used with Sam and Bucky was about how even their explicitly platonic friendship got hit with the sterility problem because of Disney's frigid approach to relationships.

Edited by AlleyOop on Feb 9th 2022 at 9:38:58 AM


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