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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
She didn't post a mourning message on her account about Boseman immediately after his death, when a bunch of other actors did, and people took it as proof she must've hated Boseman or something equally inane and subjected her to all kinds of vile abuse and harassment in response. IIRC she deleted her social media accounts entirely in response. No idea if she's since returned to any of them.
Edited by AlleyOop on Feb 5th 2022 at 4:12:50 AM
It really is.
There are probably like, a million reasons why she didn't post a mourning message right away.
Those assholes were just trying to pick a fight.
One Strip! One Strip!Actually, Olsen has said that her deleting her social media accounts had nothing to do with being bullied over not paying tribute to Boseman
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Huh thinking of a character I would love to see in a Guardians movie, I would say Major Victory due to how batshit he is as a character.
A time traveler from the year 3000 (the future version of Justice ala the New Warriors even) stuck in a containment suit who can fire psychic blasts and wields Captain America's shield.
They really should bring in more crazy new teammates. Thats like half the fun of team-series, the wacky new members and what they'll bring to the existing dynamics.
Edited by slimcoder on Feb 6th 2022 at 2:45:46 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."I'm reminded of the start of Secret Six where the death of Scandal's girlfriend Knockout due to the events of Final Crisis has left Scandal in a drunken depressed stupor and new teammate Bane witnessing the crew trying to cheer her up asks "Are things always like this?"
I can imagine something similar happening to Quill cause it is Quill.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Y'know, I think that I'm starting to enjoy the MCU's Disney series more than the mainline movies lately. Sure, the movies are great spectacles and fun to see with your friends, but there's something I really like about the more character-focused and relaxed TV shows. Yes, I agree that each series could use a few more episodes and/or a longer runtime, but I like how each D+ series flows and is experimental overall.
"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."WandaVision was certainly a necessity when it came to developing Wanda as a character, to make her more of an A-lister than just a sidepiece.
The longer episode format definitely benefits being able to address themes like trauma and grief. Hell, for all the complaints about the Netflix Marvel shows having padding, one can't deny that their longer runtimes meant more time to explore themes that movies wouldn't be able to go as much in depth about (like Daredevil on gentrification, Jessica Jones on sexual assault and trauma, etc.).
Okey Dokey!I just wish the shows had better villains, I guess. They haven't been all that strong so far.
Which I guess is a good thing for some, it means they're focused more on fleshing out the main characters and their dynamics, but the best seasons of the Netflix shows could juggle both of those pretty nicely.
Edited by GNinja on Feb 8th 2022 at 3:44:29 PM
Kaze ni Nare!Agatha's probably the strongest villain if only because everything conspired to make her memorable but she still fell victim to the Marvel Third Act Curse. (Though that was apparently COVID's fault.)
The Karli/Sharon twofer's still the worst for me, since both were so built up but never got a chance to be particularly impressive and had to share precious screentime with nice-for-now-Zemo.
He Who Remains isn't so much a villain as he is a walking Infodump-slash-big winking teaser.
Edited by Synchronicity on Feb 8th 2022 at 12:09:06 PM
Yeah, the show villains have been kind of lacking.
Agatha was hammy as all hell but otherwise a flat character, Karli was… blegh, HWR is what
said and Kingpin was carried solely by his DD rep. The only one I can say really hit the mark was Ultron, and even then that’s only because he was cooler than his previous adaptation.
Edited by EmeraldEmperor on Feb 8th 2022 at 1:15:11 PM
Here's hoping Arthur Harrow and/or whatever the hell the Big Bad is in Moon Knight leaves more of a mark.
"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."I was always one of those people who thought there shoud've been a double reveal with Agatha, where she turns out to be just another figment of Wanda's illusions, a convenient, cartoonish villain to scapegoat all the problems with her town on so she could avoid taking responsibility.
As is, yeah, she's probably the best, but she's the best of a pretty middling bunch.
Edited by GNinja on Feb 8th 2022 at 8:36:32 PM
Kaze ni Nare!That double reveal idea with Agatha is fantastic.
I think the big problem with the Disney+ villains is that they’ve mostly been held back until an 11th hour reveal, so they’ve had this feeling of showing up then being dealt with really quickly. Kingpin and HWR didn’t appear until the last episode, Agatha’s reveal was with an episode or two to go, and Sharon’s wasn’t until the very end.
The other problem is that they’ve kind of been relying on the audience’s knowledge of these characters, which definitely varies. Sure it’s a huge deal to find out Kingpin or Kang was behind it all… if you know who they are already. Within the context of the show itself though it doesn’t actually mean much.
I think the two issues are related, and the villains have largely suffered from the need to have a “big reveal” near the end of the season, giving the villains very little screen time to actually develop within the context of the show. I’d much prefer the way Kingpin was done in DD, or Kilgrave, where they get time to establish themselves as a threat rather than coasting on meta reputation.

The story was she didn't express enough mourning for him or somesuch. It was very oblique even for the standards of social media.
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