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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#139526: Feb 4th 2022 at 7:52:39 PM

I've heard rumors that Blonsky will be paroled in She Hulk. And yeah, I definitely take Shang Chi as evidence of him mellowing out and having a Heel–Face Turn (but still enjoying a good fight). I kind of figure that besides doing fixed prize fights with Wong, Wong restored his sanity with that "punch out of body" thing.

I can kind of picture a dialogue where Walker calls Blonsky out on going on a rampage and Blonsky notes that he served his time while Walker got Kicked Upstairs.

Edited by Hodor2 on Feb 4th 2022 at 9:55:49 AM

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#139527: Feb 4th 2022 at 7:56:56 PM

I'm curious if Blonsky managed to escape custody on his own, or if he was released. Like, he has a bit more freedom if he agreed to join the Dark Avengers or whatever.

I don't think "Dark Avengers" is going to be the official name. I think that team and the Young Avengers are both just going to go by "Avengers" in-universe, and they'll fight over who gets to officially take the place of the original team.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Feb 4th 2022 at 8:57:37 AM

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#139528: Feb 4th 2022 at 8:02:51 PM

I came up a bit before that it's not entirely clear whether Contessa's team (what Walker & Yelena are up to) is really the Dark Avengers or whether they're something else. They almost feel more like an espionage team than a counter to the Avengers themselves.

So something like that Secret Avengers? At least two versions of that team where something like a spy team.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#139529: Feb 4th 2022 at 8:03:43 PM

There's a 50-50 chance they're the Dark Avengers in pretty much everything but are still called "Thunderbolts" because that name rolls off the tongue better.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#139530: Feb 4th 2022 at 8:06:54 PM

Y'know, Natalie Portman may be 40, but that's still younger than Anthony Mackie at 43. Maybe Jane-Thor will replace Thor on the Young Avengers, making the first iteration of the Young Avengers roster be:

  • Captain America (Sam)

  • Iron Man (Riri)

  • Thor (Jane)

  • She-Hulk

  • Hawkeye (Kate)

  • Black Widow (Yelena)

That... tracks almost TOO well.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#139531: Feb 4th 2022 at 8:18:28 PM

…I don’t understand why you’re trying to put adults in their 40s on the Young Avengers team, a team literally named for being teenagers and 20-somethings. Who’s going to call Sam Wilson “young” when he’s right next to 15 year-old America Chavez?

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#139532: Feb 4th 2022 at 8:26:47 PM

I think it's going to be Young Avengers In Name Only, more representing just the next generation of Avengers.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#139533: Feb 4th 2022 at 8:28:59 PM

That doesn’t seem likely considering how many YA specific members from the comics have shown up by this point.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#139534: Feb 4th 2022 at 8:32:25 PM

Speaking of Young Avengers, do you think they'll use Jonas, replace him with Viv or skip the Vision analogue entirely?

Chortleous she/her friend to the hooved (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: She does the things you do, but she is an IBM
she/her friend to the hooved
#139535: Feb 4th 2022 at 11:06:12 PM

They're 100% doing something with White Vision at some point, be it Armor Wars or otherwise... maybe that could end up resulting in Viv somehow, I don't know.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#139536: Feb 5th 2022 at 1:00:10 AM

I'm not entirely certain if Blonsky's gonna pull off a Heel–Face Turn, and I doubt Banner's going to agree with Jennifer if she paroles him. I just sense there's too much darkness in him. I just really, really hope he takes the stand in his transformed state, if only because a transformed Abomination taking the stand would be a damn funny image.

As for the Young Avengers vs. Dark Avengers debate, I'll say that I still think it's too early to be able to truly predict anything. But I bet it'll be a thing that happens.

Also, don't forget that Eli Bradley exists! It's obvious Sam is way too old to be part of the "Young" Avengers, hence why it would make sense for him to be involved with him.

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DoubleOG (Apprentice)
#139537: Feb 5th 2022 at 7:57:46 AM

This image hits different now.

(For those confused, its group photo of actresses Elizabeth Olsen, Gwyneth Paltrow, Brie Larson, Evangeline Lilly, and Letitia Wright on the set of Avengers: Endgame with the caption "this hits different now" referencing all of their... controversies.

I guess that A-force movie will take a while.

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Disasturbator
#139539: Feb 5th 2022 at 8:13:23 AM

Nothing

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lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#139540: Feb 5th 2022 at 8:16:46 AM

Oh, okay. Guess she just happened to be in the shot then.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
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Funny but not helpful
#139542: Feb 5th 2022 at 8:21:33 AM

Look we can’t blame Olsen for that, she was under the influence of a dramatic script

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DoubleOG (Apprentice)
#139543: Feb 5th 2022 at 8:22:29 AM

She plays a Romani character when she herself isn't one, which is essentially whitewashing. Not only that but she used the word gypsy ( a slur used against Romani people) when describing her halloween costume in Wanda Vision.

(Her casting falls Marvel's shoulders but still.)

Edited by DoubleOG on Feb 5th 2022 at 8:42:39 AM

Ohmknight _(o)_ from the End Since: Jul, 2020 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#139544: Feb 5th 2022 at 8:44:15 AM

[up]I gotta be honest, I don't think the term "Gypsy" is one of those slurs that many people even know is a slur. Many people typically and mistakenly just regard it as a harmless noun that describes a certain group of people. So when someone says that word, I typically blame it more on ignorance than actual malice.

Edited by Ohmknight on Feb 6th 2022 at 12:47:01 AM

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lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#139545: Feb 5th 2022 at 8:46:03 AM

Plus, doesn't the show itself use the word to describe the costume? I mean, we could probably chalk that one up to Deliberate Values Dissonance.

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#139546: Feb 5th 2022 at 8:49:02 AM

[up]Good point. The show is mimicking sitcoms from specific decades and that particular episode was specifically set for sitcoms in the early 2000s ala "Malcolm in the Middle"

Edited by Ohmknight on Feb 6th 2022 at 12:49:40 AM

The Final Name
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#139547: Feb 5th 2022 at 9:01:39 AM

I don't think the people on Twitter seem to care about whether it's an accident or not, they just seem to be complaining about the whitewashing and aforementioned slur use.

I'll be honest, I didn't know that word was a slur until...last year I think? I quickly switched over to Romani because I always thought it sounded cooler, being a Zelda fan and all.

But I'll admit, even before I found out the connotations of what "Gypsy" meant, I never was super comfortable using it because it felt weird to say.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#139548: Feb 5th 2022 at 9:11:42 AM

It's one of those Values Dissonance things where the term is more obviously a slur in Europe, but in America it's become romanticized so that many Americans like Olsen think it's a neutral or even positive term, but for reasons that are ultimately steeped in wildly inaccurate exoticization and appropriation, so it's still racist but in a way that is just as difficult to get rid of. It'd be similar to Europeans using and celebrating the term "Indian" based on Braids, Beads and Buckskins stereotypes. The best solution in this kind of situation is to educate.

Edited by AlleyOop on Feb 5th 2022 at 12:49:58 PM

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#139549: Feb 5th 2022 at 9:39:05 AM

Then there are those Americans who aren't aware that "gypsies" still exist/were ever real in the first place.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#139550: Feb 5th 2022 at 9:41:53 AM

The use of "gypsy" is more dicey, but I wouldn't blame Olsen for being cast as a Romani character. It's doubtful she even knew about it (Hell, it's a often-forgotten tidbit even among comic fans). That blame lies more in the Marvel casting department (or perhaps more precisely Joss Whedon).

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