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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#139502: Feb 4th 2022 at 12:52:48 PM

Writing off celebrities for promoting NFTs is kinda like writing off Youtubers for promoting Pew Die Pie: the endorsement thereof is so ubiquitously widespread that you kinda have to treat them as neutral states lest you write off entire mediums.

Plus yeah, there's far worse people doing shit than just jumping on scammy fads.

Edited by Watchtower on Feb 4th 2022 at 4:34:47 AM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#139503: Feb 4th 2022 at 12:55:37 PM

[up] I think people are just more hostile to this one because this particular fad is taking forever to go away.

Christ, how many memes have been born and died in the span of NFTs existing?

Edited by MatthewWayne on Feb 4th 2022 at 12:55:50 PM

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#139504: Feb 4th 2022 at 1:05:09 PM

NFT's are just a stupid internet thing worsened by hideous art like the lazy ape shit.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#139505: Feb 4th 2022 at 1:06:02 PM

What is the ape thing anyway?

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#139506: Feb 4th 2022 at 1:13:57 PM

The pathetic thing about NF Ts is you don't even necessarily own the JPG they claim you do. You own the receipt that you bought the JPG, but the actual image is liable to be lost if you don't guarantee the operation of the server it's hosted on.

Bored Apes is a particular class of NFT image. In order to create unique images they randomly generate various traits on it, but it was found to have been stolen from an existing artist who isn't seeing a penny off of it.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#139507: Feb 4th 2022 at 1:19:36 PM

[up][up] Basically palate swaps of the same ugly drawing to maximize profits.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
alanh Since: May, 2010
#139508: Feb 4th 2022 at 1:20:02 PM

Thing is, I think most of the celebrities have only a vague idea as to what an NFT is — some kind of collectable? All they know is they're being offered a metric buttload of money to promote it.

As Krusty the Clown put it, "They drove a dumptruck full of money up to my house! I'm not made of stone!"

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#139509: Feb 4th 2022 at 1:26:14 PM

Gonna start handing out off-topic thumps if people don't take this to the actual crypto thread.

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#139510: Feb 4th 2022 at 1:57:07 PM

Let's discuss why Tony Stark would have totally sold NFT's.

On a different topic, I did find interesting that recent discussion of who might be on the MCU's Thunderbolts/Dark Avengers team.

Yelena and Walker are guaranteed. I'd also think Abomination is plausible. I know there's been some discussion before about Gargan as the Spider-Man equivalent.

I wonder about the others though.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#139511: Feb 4th 2022 at 2:00:24 PM

Let's discuss why Tony Stark would have totally sold NFT's.

I don't know about NFT's, but Stark definitely tweets about cryptocurrency and how he's taking everybody to Mars possibly-as-slaves-but-don't-mind-that.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#139512: Feb 4th 2022 at 2:04:30 PM

He can’t take people to Mars, that’s where he hides his giant robots

Also Krakoa has called dibs. On all of Mars. All of it. Biggest real estate scam since flip open textbook and point to random page.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#139513: Feb 4th 2022 at 2:05:23 PM

[up][up][up] I highly, highly doubt that Gargan will be involved, due to the fact that having anything Spider-Man related is going to have Sony involved. And I'm not sure if Sony wants their bad guys fighting anyone but Spider-Man.

Ghost is a popular pick for the Dark Avengers, and in all honesty, I could see it happening. With the Pym-Van Dyne family dead for five years and Scott trapped in that same time, it's not unreasonable that she would turn to Val out of pure desperation.

I keep considering Baron Zemo, but it just doesn't make sense. He's basically just evil Tony Stark, but as a Badass Normal, which wouldn't exactly fill out a niche on the team very well. Plus, I doubt John Walker would be very receptive to being teammates with him

Edited by MatthewWayne on Feb 4th 2022 at 2:06:39 AM

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#139514: Feb 4th 2022 at 2:07:29 PM

Zemo is more like evil Captain America but with Stark money. His actual role on a hypothetical team is more analogous to Cap's (being the leader who knows everyone's strengths and weaknesses like the back of his hand). With him the struggle is more ideological.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#139515: Feb 4th 2022 at 2:08:16 PM

Yeah, good call with Gargan being omitted. And Ghost makes sense.

I can't really see both Walker and Zemo on the same team, even though both have been on Thunderbolt/Dark Avengers teams in the comics. Not so much because of personality but more because they are both "Evil Captain Americas". And you can't really have two evil counterparts on the same team. Unless your team is completely evil counterparts of one character.

Incidentally, I definitely do not expect Punisher or any Sony character (i.e. Vulture, Morbius, or Venom).

Edit - Also, I keep hoping that Justin Hammer will show up as MACH-I and basically take over Abner Jenkins' arc.

Edited by Hodor2 on Feb 4th 2022 at 4:12:02 AM

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#139516: Feb 4th 2022 at 2:35:40 PM

Yeah, Walker already fills the anti-Cap role.

Edited by Cortez on Feb 4th 2022 at 6:36:38 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#139517: Feb 4th 2022 at 2:40:31 PM

On the subject of Ultron for a bit, I do think tying him to Tony sorta trivializes him.

Like Tony is the constant fuck-up who constantly makes things worse for everyone so making Ultron his fault shifts Ultron from being the ultimate mistake to just another notch under Tony's belt.

"Oh I accidentally made a genocidal AI hellbent on destroying the world? Eh lesson learn. Now let me begin plans for an army of spy drones that I plan to give to a young teenager in several years."

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#139518: Feb 4th 2022 at 2:45:53 PM

The way the MCU works Ultron wasn't likely to be more than a one off fuck up anyway

There’s not the time to have Ultron come back every few years no matter how Hank slash the Avengers deal with him. Exploding his brain with thou shalt not kill or burying him in liquid adamantium or cracking him open and shooting his energy into space so that this one mistake keeps haunting Hank because he knows that not only did he create Ultron by deciding to build robots when his damn field is biological physics but that Ultron is based on his own brain so everything Ultron does is something that Hank is hypothetically capable of and the misanthropy came from Hank himself, he created this unstoppable killer robot in more ways than one

There’s just not time for all that.

I’d say that the MCU should stop putting every error on Tony’s shoulders but he’s dead but they’re still doing it.

Edited by Bocaj on Feb 4th 2022 at 5:46:31 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#139519: Feb 4th 2022 at 2:46:01 PM

I came up a bit before that it's not entirely clear whether Contessa's team (what Walker & Yelena are up to) is really the Dark Avengers or whether they're something else. They almost feel more like an espionage team than a counter to the Avengers themselves.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#139520: Feb 4th 2022 at 2:52:57 PM

RE: Brie Larson supporting NFTs:

Dang it, Brie! You're supposed to be better than that! And Robin Atkins Downes, the guy who voiced Travis Touchdown, Kazuhira Miller, and Manchester Black is an NFT-bro?! He played us like a damn fiddle!

(*reads again*)

Oh wait. He supported them, but not anymore? Ok, that's actually a relief. I didn't even know there was anything going on until after the fact. When did it even happen?

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Feb 4th 2022 at 5:53:35 AM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#139521: Feb 4th 2022 at 3:16:01 PM

[up][up] I still like that idea of yours. But until we get more details on what's going to happen, everything's up in the air. But I'd like an evil espionage Anti-Villain team.

[up] He did a YouTube community post announcing that he was making them. Presumably he got a bunch of backlash though, as he quickly made an "oopsie, nevermind!" follow-up response. So yeah.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Feb 4th 2022 at 3:16:12 AM

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#139522: Feb 4th 2022 at 3:18:29 PM

But until we get more details on what's going to happen, everything's up in the air.

True enough, I guess. While I don't think it optically looks like an Avengers counter (the whole thing is very "cloak and dagger" so far), there's no getting around the fact that every member so far has been a reflection of an Avenger.

We'll just have to wait and see who else gets a spot, I suppose. And/or get more information about Contessa.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#139523: Feb 4th 2022 at 6:36:47 PM

It just struck me that it would be nice to see Blonsky and Walker interacting as teammates given their shared history of "highly decorated soldier gets super soldier serum and freaks out".

I wonder if they would be buddies or dislike each other (either would have good reason to not want to be compared to the other). I'm kind of thinking buddies though. Partly because I know that Yelena and Walker will dislike each other.

Edited by Hodor2 on Feb 4th 2022 at 8:37:25 AM

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#139524: Feb 4th 2022 at 7:28:21 PM

We'll have to see in She-Hulk but I'd like to think from the brief bit in Shang-Chi that Blonsky's chilled out a bit over the last decade. He's clearly got control of his form, doubt he's as raged up as he was back in Incredible Hulk.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#139525: Feb 4th 2022 at 7:42:51 PM

I'm curious if Blonsky managed to escape custody on his own, or if he was released. Like, he has a bit more freedom if he agreed to join the Dark Avengers or whatever. I suppose She-Hulk will give us a bit more info about what he's been up to since his fight with the Hulk.


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