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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#139451: Feb 2nd 2022 at 8:14:23 PM

I will got with iron man trilogy, is only because I seen im the oddball here who actually like iron man 3 and it feel a nice send off the chararter.

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#139452: Feb 2nd 2022 at 8:16:26 PM

[up][up] Looks like all the iron has been melted down...

[down] Okay, so maybe not all the iron has melted down. But there ain't much left.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Feb 2nd 2022 at 8:50:59 AM

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#139453: Feb 2nd 2022 at 8:23:26 PM

Well, we know Riri is getting a tv show, so maybe that will set her up as the main character of Iron Man 4: Iron Heart.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#139454: Feb 2nd 2022 at 9:09:59 PM

Cap trilogy is great. Spidey comes second with a very good trilogy with some flaws. Thor had one decent film and a pretty good one with a bad one in-between so it goes third.

Iron Man has one good movie out of three (if you ask me), so if you're judging it as a trilogy it goes last (even though the first IM movie could be considered better than any of the Spidey and Thor films individually).

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#139455: Feb 2nd 2022 at 9:21:29 PM

Y'know, I am curious how the Iron Man trilogy would've looked if Jon Favreau didn't have so much Executive Meddling in Iron Man 2.

On the one hand, we might've had a more coherent story for Tony himself, and it would've really developed him and his supporting cast overall. Heck, we might've even gotten a cooler Whiplash, and Mickey Rourke might not hate Marvel like he does now.

On the other hand, I'm fairly certain that due to Favreau wanting to adapt the Mandarin as an Emperor Palpatine/Sauron-like character, Wenwu would've been a significantly weaker character (albeit maybe with more comic-accurate rings). Plus, if China couldn't even get past Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings without seeing Fu Manchu in him, I'm pretty certain they would've loathed Favreau's take on him.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#139456: Feb 2nd 2022 at 9:29:27 PM

Honestly it sounds like most Chinese mainlanders who actually saw the movie themselves had no problem with it, and that might've been an excuse by the CCP to justify blocking it in order to prop up their own films for nationalist propaganda's sake.

Edited by AlleyOop on Feb 2nd 2022 at 12:29:37 PM

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#139457: Feb 2nd 2022 at 9:34:26 PM

[up] You may have a point actually. After all, with China's growing nationalism and the CCP trying to clamp down on foreign media, combined with the pandemic, it just seems like Marvel losing the Chinese box office was kind of inevitable.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Feb 2nd 2022 at 9:34:49 AM

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#139458: Feb 3rd 2022 at 1:55:47 AM

My vote goes for the Iron Man Trilogy. It has a consistent begining and end for a character where the other trilogies don't (well Thor Ragnarok does have an excellent end to the idea of Thor as a Prince of Asgard, but Thor the Dark World manages to be just so week I had to penalize it.)

Iorn Man 2 definatly let's the trilogy down as it spins it's wheels so much.

While I like the Cap films and think they have a consistent quality to them, the scope ballons out and looses sight of what the story initially was.

And the Spider-Man trilogy doesn't even feel like a trilogy as it's clear those three films are intended to be the first of many.

I suspect that the Guardians of the Galaxy trilogy is going to top this list. I also expect that the Ant-Man trilogy won't.

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#139459: Feb 3rd 2022 at 7:35:28 AM

I would give it to the Cap trilogy all three films are great, Spidey comes in second with twogreat films, and then Thor and Iron man are tied.

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#139460: Feb 3rd 2022 at 7:36:56 PM

Going back through the early days of this forum, when some snippets of news came up about how Ultron might be made by Tony Stark and not Hank Pym (but way before there was a trailer of Avengers: Age of Ultron), there was a lot of discontent about it somehow stiffing Hank Pym and being such a disservice to him and you can fill in the blanks with your own standard Internet-style complaints.

It was weird. I was not expecting people to care that much about it or think it's doing him wrong somehow.

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#139461: Feb 3rd 2022 at 8:06:16 PM

Well it is Hank's thing. So giving it to Tony is kinda like DC giving a characters great achievement or failure to Batman.

Its not even the first time they did that. The animated Next Avengers movie had Tony also being the creator of Ultron which is an even more egregious case since Hank is confirmed to actually exist in that movie through the existence of Hank and Janet's son.

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#139462: Feb 3rd 2022 at 10:46:40 PM

If anything, Hank being Ultron's creator was a blessing for the character given how much heat Tony got over it in and out of universe.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#139463: Feb 3rd 2022 at 11:03:31 PM

It's about the execution. In the comics Ultron's issues are the result of him inheriting Pym's by then well-established mental illness. It's a genuine accident that nevertheless has solid setup, because Hank being a tragic genius plagued by his mental health problems is a big part of his character.

Meanwhile Whedon did a terrible job with AOU, and thus while Tony and Bruce didn't intend for Ultron to happen the way it did either, this time it's a much more obviously preventable conflict that has a lot of context from previous films to suggesting it's a fundamentally bad idea that probably should've never been attempted in the first place. It's a downgrade to change Ultron over from being the result of Hank's instability into a contrived case of Idiot Ball because Whedon wants to make them fight.

Edited by AlleyOop on Feb 3rd 2022 at 2:07:36 PM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#139464: Feb 4th 2022 at 4:55:52 AM

At the time I was in a big huff about it because I felt that if you take away Hank's world domineering robot who has a copy of his bipolar disorder, what does Hank have?

And I think it's easier now as the MCU has established that Hank is the independent guy, who having done the superhero thing has come to the conclusion it's a bad idea. Which has potential.

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#139465: Feb 4th 2022 at 8:49:51 AM

[up][up]Alley, well, no, this isn't about the execution of Ultron because this was about consternation before there was even a trailer of the movie. This was from 2013, where "Tony created Ultron" first came out as a bare snippet of information.

[up]A reputation as a wife-beater that simultaneously everybody and nobody holds against him?

His many costumes and identities?

His wife's body that he once used as a school building?

His ants and knowledge of judo to flip ants over?

Edited by fredhot16 on Feb 4th 2022 at 9:01:09 AM

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#139466: Feb 4th 2022 at 9:12:40 AM

Is the wife body thing about Avengers Academy?

Because that wasn’t even Wasp. He got the wrong tiny gigantic blown up woman

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#139467: Feb 4th 2022 at 9:17:52 AM

"On the one hand, we might've had a more coherent story for Tony himself, and it would've really developed him and his supporting cast overall. Heck, we might've even gotten a cooler Whiplash, and Mickey Rourke might not hate Marvel like he does now. "

I will said one issue I give to trilogy is that it try to improve tony rather than holding him over and over as "the guy who screw up but is well meaning" which it reach truly awfull leavels in civil war and infinity war, like in CW it end without pepper, his mania with his suit let to Ultron, them to suport the acords and ross and it seen more maniac than ever.

I dont know I feel marvel decide hot mess tony was too good and kinda never move out from that.

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#139468: Feb 4th 2022 at 9:45:33 AM

Is the wife body thing about Avengers Academy?

Because that wasn’t even Wasp. He got the wrong tiny gigantic blown up woman

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#139469: Feb 4th 2022 at 9:53:59 AM

An interesting idea that I’ve just though up is what if Tony didn’t hide the Ultron project from the rest of the Avengers. What if Tony AND Steve were the basis for Ultron’s mind and that drove their argument in the film and contributed to Ultron going rogue AI?

Tony who both wants a simple magic solution so he can retire and also can never actually step back

And Steve with his thing where he doesn’t know who he is in peace. Whatever his Wanda vision was specifically about, I haven’t rewatched in a while

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#139470: Feb 4th 2022 at 9:59:38 AM

[up] The problem is that Steve's previous outing, Captain America: The Winter Soldier had him and Natasha foil Project Insight before it got off the ground. And even before we knew HYDRA was behind that plot, Steve was adamant that he thought the idea of trusting giant machines capable of wiping out any potential threats with the press of a button was morally wrong ("This isn't freedom, this is fear."). Tony and Bruce's Ultron plan is basically a rehash of that, except it's sentient. So I doubt Steve would ever be on board with Ultron.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Feb 4th 2022 at 10:01:30 AM

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#139471: Feb 4th 2022 at 10:05:55 AM

Is also steve have a sort of chronice heroic tendecy and is "if there are people in danger I wont back down", Steve will never back down.

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#139472: Feb 4th 2022 at 10:06:47 AM

Easy fix to have Ultron’s purpose different. An evolution of the Iron Drones or something. Maybe the fix all problems forever is the secret Tony keeps.

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#139473: Feb 4th 2022 at 11:32:53 AM

Seems Brie Larson supports NFT's.

I think i just threw up in my mouth.

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#139474: Feb 4th 2022 at 11:36:45 AM

That unfortunately tracks.

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