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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Cap trilogy is great. Spidey comes second with a very good trilogy with some flaws. Thor had one decent film and a pretty good one with a bad one in-between so it goes third.
Iron Man has one good movie out of three (if you ask me), so if you're judging it as a trilogy it goes last (even though the first IM movie could be considered better than any of the Spidey and Thor films individually).
"All you Fascists bound to lose."Y'know, I am curious how the Iron Man trilogy would've looked if Jon Favreau didn't have so much Executive Meddling in Iron Man 2.
On the one hand, we might've had a more coherent story for Tony himself, and it would've really developed him and his supporting cast overall. Heck, we might've even gotten a cooler Whiplash, and Mickey Rourke might not hate Marvel like he does now.
On the other hand, I'm fairly certain that due to Favreau wanting to adapt the Mandarin as an Emperor Palpatine/Sauron-like character, Wenwu would've been a significantly weaker character (albeit maybe with more comic-accurate rings). Plus, if China couldn't even get past Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings without seeing Fu Manchu in him, I'm pretty certain they would've loathed Favreau's take on him.
"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
You may have a point actually. After all, with China's growing nationalism and the CCP trying to clamp down on foreign media, combined with the pandemic, it just seems like Marvel losing the Chinese box office was kind of inevitable.
Edited by MatthewWayne on Feb 2nd 2022 at 9:34:49 AM
"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."My vote goes for the Iron Man Trilogy. It has a consistent begining and end for a character where the other trilogies don't (well Thor Ragnarok does have an excellent end to the idea of Thor as a Prince of Asgard, but Thor the Dark World manages to be just so week I had to penalize it.)
Iorn Man 2 definatly let's the trilogy down as it spins it's wheels so much.
While I like the Cap films and think they have a consistent quality to them, the scope ballons out and looses sight of what the story initially was.
And the Spider-Man trilogy doesn't even feel like a trilogy as it's clear those three films are intended to be the first of many.
I suspect that the Guardians of the Galaxy trilogy is going to top this list. I also expect that the Ant-Man trilogy won't.
I would give it to the Cap trilogy all three films are great, Spidey comes in second with twogreat films, and then Thor and Iron man are tied.
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup threadGoing back through the early days of this forum, when some snippets of news came up about how Ultron might be made by Tony Stark and not Hank Pym (but way before there was a trailer of Avengers: Age of Ultron), there was a lot of discontent about it somehow stiffing Hank Pym and being such a disservice to him and you can fill in the blanks with your own standard Internet-style complaints.
It was weird. I was not expecting people to care that much about it or think it's doing him wrong somehow.
Trans rights are human rights. TV Tropes is not a place for bigotry, cruelty, or dickishness, no matter who or their position.Well it is Hank's thing. So giving it to Tony is kinda like DC giving a characters great achievement or failure to Batman.
Its not even the first time they did that. The animated Next Avengers movie had Tony also being the creator of Ultron which is an even more egregious case since Hank is confirmed to actually exist in that movie through the existence of Hank and Janet's son.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."It's about the execution. In the comics Ultron's issues are the result of him inheriting Pym's by then well-established mental illness. It's a genuine accident that nevertheless has solid setup, because Hank being a tragic genius plagued by his mental health problems is a big part of his character.
Meanwhile Whedon did a terrible job with AOU, and thus while Tony and Bruce didn't intend for Ultron to happen the way it did either, this time it's a much more obviously preventable conflict that has a lot of context from previous films to suggesting it's a fundamentally bad idea that probably should've never been attempted in the first place. It's a downgrade to change Ultron over from being the result of Hank's instability into a contrived case of Idiot Ball because Whedon wants to make them fight.
Edited by AlleyOop on Feb 3rd 2022 at 2:07:36 PM
At the time I was in a big huff about it because I felt that if you take away Hank's world domineering robot who has a copy of his bipolar disorder, what does Hank have?
And I think it's easier now as the MCU has established that Hank is the independent guy, who having done the superhero thing has come to the conclusion it's a bad idea. Which has potential.
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Alley, well, no, this isn't about the execution of Ultron because this was about consternation before there was even a trailer of the movie. This was from 2013, where "Tony created Ultron" first came out as a bare snippet of information.
A reputation as a wife-beater that simultaneously everybody and nobody holds against him?
His many costumes and identities?
His wife's body that he once used as a school building?
His ants and knowledge of judo to flip ants over?
Edited by fredhot16 on Feb 4th 2022 at 9:01:09 AM
Trans rights are human rights. TV Tropes is not a place for bigotry, cruelty, or dickishness, no matter who or their position.Is the wife body thing about Avengers Academy?
Because that wasn’t even Wasp. He got the wrong tiny gigantic blown up woman
Forever liveblogging the Avengers"On the one hand, we might've had a more coherent story for Tony himself, and it would've really developed him and his supporting cast overall. Heck, we might've even gotten a cooler Whiplash, and Mickey Rourke might not hate Marvel like he does now. "
I will said one issue I give to trilogy is that it try to improve tony rather than holding him over and over as "the guy who screw up but is well meaning" which it reach truly awfull leavels in civil war and infinity war, like in CW it end without pepper, his mania with his suit let to Ultron, them to suport the acords and ross and it seen more maniac than ever.
I dont know I feel marvel decide hot mess tony was too good and kinda never move out from that.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"Because that wasn’t even Wasp. He got the wrong tiny gigantic blown up woman
Ah, comic books. I love you.
Disney100 Marathon | DreamWorks MarathonAn interesting idea that I’ve just though up is what if Tony didn’t hide the Ultron project from the rest of the Avengers. What if Tony AND Steve were the basis for Ultron’s mind and that drove their argument in the film and contributed to Ultron going rogue AI?
Tony who both wants a simple magic solution so he can retire and also can never actually step back
And Steve with his thing where he doesn’t know who he is in peace. Whatever his Wanda vision was specifically about, I haven’t rewatched in a while
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The problem is that Steve's previous outing, Captain America: The Winter Soldier had him and Natasha foil Project Insight before it got off the ground. And even before we knew HYDRA was behind that plot, Steve was adamant that he thought the idea of trusting giant machines capable of wiping out any potential threats with the press of a button was morally wrong ("This isn't freedom, this is fear."). Tony and Bruce's Ultron plan is basically a rehash of that, except it's sentient. So I doubt Steve would ever be on board with Ultron.
Edited by MatthewWayne on Feb 4th 2022 at 10:01:30 AM
"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."Easy fix to have Ultron’s purpose different. An evolution of the Iron Drones or something. Maybe the fix all problems forever is the secret Tony keeps.
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I will got with iron man trilogy, is only because I seen im the oddball here who actually like iron man 3 and it feel a nice send off the chararter.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"