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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#139376: Jan 30th 2022 at 1:29:24 PM

I think Hank would be grumpy on principle but it’s not like he’s going to complain about being undusted

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#139377: Jan 30th 2022 at 1:35:17 PM

It also be cool if Jan joins him, they could be co-principles.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#139378: Jan 30th 2022 at 1:36:24 PM

The Deputy principle is often the real principle if you ask me

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#139379: Jan 30th 2022 at 2:08:56 PM

Y'know, I just thought of something. If Marvel does end up listening to Vincent D'Onofrio's pleas to have Kingpin fight against Spider-Man, it would be a pretty cool opportunity to introduce the black symbiote suit for him to wear, eh? Since the symbiote preys on Peter's darker emotions, and the Kingpin comes from a darker side of the MCU, it would be really cool to see.

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#139380: Jan 30th 2022 at 2:26:45 PM

I've finished rewatching all the Netflix shows; watched Patsy go to prison yesterday to finish it up.

I wonder if we'll ever see her again as Hellcat.

Edited by Cortez on Jan 30th 2022 at 6:29:40 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#139381: Jan 30th 2022 at 3:16:15 PM

They have a singular opportunity here to do a rebooted, more comics accurate version of Hellcat, so they might as well tbh. It could be a Broad Strokes version who has similar history as the Netflix version but didn't go violently insane (like what they may or may not be doing with Daredevil, Kingpin, etc), or they could be extra cheeky and go "no, I get this all the time: my name is Patsy Walker. That other Patricia Walker who goes by Trish and just got locked up? Totally different person."

My favorite thing about comics Hellcat's history is that she doesn't really have a specific niche. She's just... involved in crazy shit. "Shit be crazy" is her niche.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 30th 2022 at 3:16:41 AM

dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#139382: Jan 30th 2022 at 3:18:31 PM

I wonder if we'll ever see her again as Hellcat.

I keep wanting to believe that had the Netflix shows not been cancelled, season 4 of Jessica Jones would go something like this: Jessica would leave Malcolm running Alias, while Erik tries to do good (similar to Foggy moving to Hogarth Chao & Benowitz at the end of Daredevill season 2 while Karen goes to work for the New York Bulletin), and Trish is down and out for the moment, but there's a little glimmer of her future redemption in the way that she seems to be starting to realize the error of her ways at the very end of the season. Meanwhile, Jessica runs away to Mexico.

Season 4 would then start with Jessica having been gone from the city a while, coming back to find Erik and Malcolm having come to be in very different positions. Maybe Jessica is drawn back by something going on with them, or by the potential of a way to save Trish, and having to choose not to run even though so many terrible things happen to her. Whatever the case, I doubt that Trish would stay locked up for the entirety of season 4. I could see Jessica agonize over what to do about Trish, consider breaking her out, decide against it, drink a bit… and then maybe Trish would break herself out. Or outside forces would intervene.

I've sometimes worked my brain a bit trying to figure out what sort of defense strategy a lawyer would use if Trish got a trial for her crimes.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#139383: Jan 30th 2022 at 3:19:34 PM

[up][up] Reminds me of the current Iron Man which stars Patsy does go into how crazy her history is.

Moondragon even shows up in an issue cause she was Patsy's psychic mentor before.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#139384: Jan 30th 2022 at 3:39:57 PM

Patsy’s history is so funny because she’s a teen romcom character who got transplanted into a superhero world. The genre shift in her continuity is so abrupt. It’s like if To All the Boys I've Loved Before ended with “and just as Lara Jean wrapped up the mixup of her love letters and began dating her high school sweetheart, she suddenly FELL IN A PORTAL TO HELL AND WAS CURSED WITH UNDEAD SUPERNATURAL POWERS!”

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#139385: Jan 30th 2022 at 4:05:03 PM

She was a romance character and then she blackmailed Beast into finding her some superpowers so he invited her on a ride along to scare her off the idea but the Avengers find Tigra's old super suit just laying around in the villain lair and decide to give it to her and then it turned out she had psychic power and Moondragon dragged her off to go train on the moon and then she foundstole a magic cloak and then she married the antichrist

Geez she really is a little everything.

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Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#139386: Jan 30th 2022 at 4:06:47 PM

and then she married the antichrist

I'm sorry, what.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#139387: Jan 30th 2022 at 4:08:52 PM

She married Damien Hellstrom, Son of Satan.

Like her first marriage, it was very bad.

[down] Oh, right. Damien is Wayne.

Edited by Bocaj on Jan 30th 2022 at 7:10:03 AM

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#139388: Jan 30th 2022 at 4:09:16 PM

Daimon Hellstrom, I think? Son of Satan?

[nja]

Edited by KarkatTheDalek on Jan 30th 2022 at 7:09:25 AM

Oh God! Natural light!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#139389: Jan 31st 2022 at 2:31:48 AM

Huh ya know I think the last big Thor villain left is the Mangog.

He is basically Thor's Doomsday, an unstoppable immortal engine of death and destruction empowered by the souls of a civilization Asgard previously conquered who will never stop until all Gods are dead. Which granted is a bit of similar motivation to Gorr.

There's also Amora the Enchantress though she's not strictly a villain.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#139390: Jan 31st 2022 at 3:38:00 AM

Unless they go full mythological and bring in Jormungandr or something, though that would be much more difficult now Asgard is no more.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#139391: Jan 31st 2022 at 6:16:59 AM

I find it weird that Skurge showed up in Thor: Ragnarok without Enchantress because everywhere else that I have seen them, they were practically attached to the hip.

The legend has returned.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#139392: Jan 31st 2022 at 6:49:36 AM

[up][up] Helpfully Jormungandr famously lives on Midgard*

*Earth

Edited by Bocaj on Jan 31st 2022 at 9:49:47 AM

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jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#139393: Jan 31st 2022 at 7:46:56 AM

Yes, but with Asgard gone they've basically jettisoned the entire "mythological gods" side of Thor as Ragnarok (where Jormungandr has the Mutual Kill with Thor) already happened, with a rather noticeable absence of World Serpent action. Fenrir showed up, Surtr got his moment, but Big J got passed over.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#139394: Jan 31st 2022 at 7:49:10 AM

I bet that lazy wyrm overslept

Edited by Bocaj on Jan 31st 2022 at 10:49:19 AM

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lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#139395: Jan 31st 2022 at 9:39:34 AM

I find it weird that Amora has never shown up at all in the MCU considering her prominence in the Thor mythos.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#139396: Jan 31st 2022 at 9:42:45 AM

they're probably wanting magic exclusive villains further down the line

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#139397: Jan 31st 2022 at 12:13:37 PM

The Thor movies are in an interesting place as they essentially destroyed the fun magical place where all the stuff happens or comes from.

Asgard’s destroyed so that knocks a lot of Norse Myth stuff out of the picture.

Though it does provide a good story for Mangog ala revenge is pointless. Mangog shows up wanting revenge for his people only by this point Asgard is destroyed and it’s only remnants are a small amount of people, with any person involved in Asgard’s imperialism long dead.

Though Mangog doesn’t care due to its very nature so instead of being an avenger for a dead people, it just becomes a murderous monster.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#139398: Jan 31st 2022 at 12:21:17 PM

I could see them going for an alternate Asgard so they have an excuse to bring the magic back,always hate when a show decides that magic either dying or is going to vanish

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jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#139399: Jan 31st 2022 at 1:11:32 PM

[up][up]It does actually sound like something Waititi would do: have this unstoppable Doomsday-esque rage monster show up hell bent on destroying Asgard... only to find out that "Asgard" is now a small village in Norway.

Edited by jakobitis on Jan 31st 2022 at 1:12:08 AM

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#139400: Jan 31st 2022 at 1:38:09 PM

Funnily enough, they did have Mangog in the tie-in video game to the first Thor movie, Thor: God of Thunder, where he was basically the main threat of the game:

Oof, those graphics hurt...


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