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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#139351: Jan 29th 2022 at 4:06:47 PM

[up][up] I guess that would be a cool way to make black ops Super Team. After all, the Avengers did assemble to fight off an Alien Invasion, and with the aftermath of Thanos lingering, it's not exactly out there to be paranoid about it happening again.

That said, given how dangerous the Chitauri and Thanos's other forces are, I feel that there would be prioritization on superpowered individuals rather than Badass Normals.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Jan 29th 2022 at 4:07:12 AM

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#139352: Jan 29th 2022 at 6:16:46 PM

So wait, Hulkling isn't related to the Hulk? That's a pretty big Non-Indicative Name then..

He also only met Banner once.

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#139353: Jan 29th 2022 at 7:18:26 PM

I don't really think we're getting Young Avengers at all, if I'm honest. At least not with that branding.

There's a lot of ways the next big super-team can go in terms of roster, but I think when it comes to the younger heroes, they'll either be the Champions or folded into the New/Mighty/whatever the next general incarnation of the Avengers is called.

Fact of the matter is, "Young Avengers" isn't really a name that has any staying power in a live-action format. Kate's a long-standing member of the team in the comics, and she's explicitly already 22 here, by the time most of these heroes are ready to team up the idea of them being teenaged/young adult superheroes will be good for maybe one or two installments, but that's about it.

So I think they're either going to be folded into the New Avengers, be the New Avengers (although that one seems a bit less likely assuming Shang-Chi/Captain Marvel/Doctor Strange/Captain America/She-Hulk/various other older heroes get involved), or just be their own team divorced from the Avengers for whatever reason.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#139354: Jan 29th 2022 at 7:28:32 PM

I would find it funny if they do name it Champions because most of the characters introduced or will be introduced are largely YA characters.

We got Kate, Cassie/Stature, Eli/Patriot, Billy and Tommy, and America Chavez. Thats half of the YA team leaving only Nathaniel Richards (both Iron Lad and Vision II), Teddy, Noh-Varr, Prodigy, and Kid Loki.

Meanwhile the only confirmed Champions are Kamala and Riri. Which does make sense as the Young Avengers series is largely more successful than Champions has been.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 29th 2022 at 7:29:10 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#139355: Jan 29th 2022 at 8:05:43 PM

I have feeling they'll be called the "Champions" officially, just to differentiate them from the Avengers, but there will probably be a scene where someone derisively makes a comment like "So, what? Are you guys supposed to be the Young Avengers or something?"

Edited by chasemaddigan on Jan 29th 2022 at 11:05:58 AM

FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#139356: Jan 29th 2022 at 8:08:51 PM

So that's it? What, we some kinda Young Avengers Squad?

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#139357: Jan 29th 2022 at 8:14:26 PM

It's time for them to do what has to be done and become Superman IV: The Quest for Peace!

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#139358: Jan 29th 2022 at 9:07:56 PM

"Young, just us ... now wait a darn minute"

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#139359: Jan 29th 2022 at 9:43:28 PM

They clearly need to call themselves....

The Young New Champion Generation Warriors!!!!

Everyone is covered.

I think I got every teen / young adult team in this one.

One Strip! One Strip!
Cross (Don’t ask)
#139360: Jan 29th 2022 at 9:46:27 PM

Runaways

Edit: And I guess the Ultimates too.

Edited by Cross on Jan 29th 2022 at 12:48:08 PM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#139361: Jan 29th 2022 at 10:09:52 PM

The first group of Young Avengers were interesting in that they were Legacy characters…but they were not legacy characters of the heroes they based their identities on at first.

  • Asgardian modeled himself after Thor but he was really Scarlet Witch’s successor. He used magic to simulate Thor’s power.

  • Patriot wore a costume similar to Bucky and Captain America, but he was really honoring his grandfather Isaiah Bradley. He claimed he inherited the Super-Soldier enhancement from a blood transfusion from his grandfather.

  • Hulkling as mentioned modeled himself after the Hulk but he was really a Skrull-Kree hybrid who was the son of Captain Marvel and the Skrull princess Anelle. He used the combo of shapeshifting from his Skrull heritage and the Super-Strength he got from his father to mimic the Hulk.

  • Iron Lad modeled himself after Iron Man but was really a teenage version…of Avengers foe Kang the Conqueror. The team was founded in the first place due to Iron Lad hoping to Screw Destiny and not be Kang. Sadly it failed.

Disgusted, but not surprised
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#139363: Jan 30th 2022 at 7:55:54 AM

He didn’t even bother to show up to the big Kang reunion in the recent Fantastic Four annual

Take that how you will

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#139364: Jan 30th 2022 at 10:02:23 AM

Iron Lad was on the 2018 Exiles team. Unfortunately there he still couldn’t escape his inevitable Kang fate. sad

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#139365: Jan 30th 2022 at 10:06:17 AM
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#139366: Jan 30th 2022 at 11:07:27 AM

It's a rule that if you're in the 616 and it's your destiny that eventually you'll become a big bad supervillain, you'll never escape that. Previous futures will exert a pressure on you.

Victor Mancha was happily willing to die to prevent his destiny of becoming Ultron Victoreous, and that didn't even stick.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#139367: Jan 30th 2022 at 11:33:42 AM

Sunspot never became his predestined villain

I mean, in Bad Futures but does that really count?

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#139368: Jan 30th 2022 at 11:36:45 AM

True, but writers are always eventually going to be tempted to dangle that bad future over you to torment you for a bit.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#139369: Jan 30th 2022 at 12:39:19 PM

I always assumed they'd just name a Young Avengers film "The Initiative" or "Avengers: The Academy" or "Champions" or something, but still have it be clearly a Young Avengers team.

That said, with the sheer hype train that Marvel has going, I doubt that if they named a movie "The Young Avengers" it would impact the movie's staying power in any way.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 30th 2022 at 12:40:03 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#139370: Jan 30th 2022 at 12:40:57 PM

Oh yeah Avengers Academy.

That would make a good TV show actually. Plus we can possibly have Hank involved as the academy’s principle somehow.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#139371: Jan 30th 2022 at 12:44:14 PM

Grumpy principal Hank Pym is an amazing concept

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#139372: Jan 30th 2022 at 12:54:04 PM

"How did I get stuck with this job?"
"Sorry, Professor Pym. It was in Mr. Stark's will."
"STAAAAAAARK!"

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#139373: Jan 30th 2022 at 1:08:38 PM

I still want to know how Hank feels about Scott and his daughter participating in Endgame's final battle together.

My prediction is that he'll either be pissed and say something among the lines of "My suits were not designed to fight aliens, Scott!" or he'll have a Not So Above It All reaction and grouse to his wife that he missed the opportunity of a lifetime.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#139374: Jan 30th 2022 at 1:13:19 PM

I've finished rewatching all the Netflix shows; watched Patsy go to prison yesterday to finish it up. tongue

I know we'll probably never see these shows again as-is; at best we'll get the actors reprising their roles in a new canon. But man, it stings. They were my favorite (ostensible) part of the MCU and some of my favorite media, period.

I thought about doing a write-up on them all but I'm not sure how many people here, if any, would even care to read that.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#139375: Jan 30th 2022 at 1:18:00 PM

[up] I'm hoping to check out the first two seasons of Daredevil. If they hook me in, I might check out the other Netflix shows.

I also might take a look at Agent Carter, just because I'm curious about what missions Peggy went on in the late 40s and early 50s. I refuse to touch Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D though. Nothing against it, I just don't think it's gonna be worth it.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Jan 30th 2022 at 1:18:16 AM

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."

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