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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#139276: Jan 28th 2022 at 3:13:27 PM

Probably yeah, just like in the Guardians game.

Which would be a huge shame since the family relationship is a pretty cool detail about both of the characters.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Robbery Since: Jul, 2012
#139277: Jan 28th 2022 at 3:53:27 PM

"Also 'she not Black Cat attractive,' what is that supposed to mean?"

Black Cat is distractingly sexy, knows it, and uses it to her advantage. Hathaway, while very attractive, is not that. Your mileage will probably vary here, but that's my opinion anyway (I could see Margot Robbie as Black Cat, for instance). Possibly she could play such a character (she's a good actress, after all) but thus far at least she hasn't had a role where she's demonstrated that. She just doesn't seem like the right type for Black Cat. It'd be like getting Timothee Chalomet to play Superman or, I dunno, Dane Cook to play Batman.

I know there were mutterings a few years ago about a Black Cat/Silver Sable film; I wonder if that's still in the works?

Edited by Robbery on Jan 28th 2022 at 3:58:27 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#139278: Jan 28th 2022 at 3:57:28 PM

The big reason I'm not sure Hathaway is playing Black Cat is because I don't think they'll be casting for the next Spider-Man flick this soon.

Thinking of the movies that are coming up, and I'm going go hail mary and wonder if they're looking for characters for Ant-Man or Guardians.

Or maybe she's playing Moonstone in The Marvels, provided that's not Zawe Ashton's role.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#139279: Jan 28th 2022 at 4:16:11 PM

Moonstone would be fun casting for her.

Perhaps Phayla-Vell in Guardians, given that the character would have to be old enough to be sired by Mar'Vell who left for Earth and then later died in the eighties.

Madam Masque would be great casting, she could play a role in Armour Wars.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#139280: Jan 28th 2022 at 4:17:27 PM

Oh, yeah. I totally forgot about the tv shows. I'm on the Madame Masque train. She definitely looks like (comics) Whitney Frost.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#139281: Jan 28th 2022 at 4:38:39 PM

Madam Masque would likely be the big bad of a Young Avengers film right?

But I could see her debuting in Armour Wars given her ties to Tony Stark in the comics.

Edit: I also asked myself if there is anyone who could be cast for House of Harkness, and all I can think of, is Satana? Seems unlikely.

Edited by Whowho on Jan 28th 2022 at 12:40:00 PM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#139282: Jan 28th 2022 at 4:47:33 PM

Masque has been more of a down to earth Hawkeye villain (which is why I expected her to be in the series, but she wasn’t), while the Young Avengers often go up against cosmic threats like Kang and interdimensional parasites. But if the plan for the YA seems to be them versus the Thunderbolts, then it may be a fairly grounded affair.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jan 28th 2022 at 4:47:53 AM

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#139283: Jan 28th 2022 at 5:03:57 PM

I guess we're ignoring they already did Madame Masque on Agent Carter, except not really... tongue

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#139284: Jan 28th 2022 at 5:06:40 PM

I'm very curious how Phayla-Vell and by extension the other Mar-Vell children like Hulkling's parentage would work.

Like Mar-Vell in Captain Marvel was a rogue scientist right?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#139285: Jan 28th 2022 at 7:28:34 PM

If we were going to do Black Cat, maybe we should try someone around Tom Holland’s age? I think she could be interesting as a second love interest.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#139286: Jan 28th 2022 at 7:39:12 PM

[up] Black Cat would be Peter's third love interest, since we had the one-off thing with Liz Allan in Spider-Man: Homecoming.

And personally, I feel like introducing too many potential love interests would be really confusing and/or frustrating, especially since they were really leaning in with MJ as being Peter's one to get.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Jan 28th 2022 at 7:39:34 AM

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#139287: Jan 28th 2022 at 7:46:17 PM

Fair enough. Still, I think Black Cat could be an interesting character to use in light of Peter’s status quo post-NWH.

Oh God! Natural light!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#139288: Jan 28th 2022 at 8:13:37 PM

Black Cat does have a strong friendship with MJ even if she does love Peter.

So there’s potential for camaraderie between all the characters there.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Robbery Since: Jul, 2012
#139289: Jan 28th 2022 at 8:20:51 PM

Could be a fun dynamic for Black Cat to keep flirting hard with Peter, and him being completely impervious to it because he's got a girlfriend.

Like everyone else thinks she's super-hot, and she expects it, and he just doesn't care.

Edited by Robbery on Jan 28th 2022 at 8:21:34 AM

KRider Desire Grand Prix Entry from Origin System Since: Feb, 2021
Desire Grand Prix Entry
#139290: Jan 28th 2022 at 8:26:41 PM

[up]x6 With Hulkling Mar-Vell could have hooked up w/ a male skrull in the refugee ship. As for Genis and Phyla though, an ex-husband maybe? Marvel never dwelled on Kree marriages/divorces or whatever their equivalents are.

Come to think of it, would the MCU even try to adapt Carol's half-sister Lauri-El?

Edited by KRider on Jan 28th 2022 at 8:28:04 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#139291: Jan 28th 2022 at 8:32:10 PM

[up] Well in the case of Hulkling, she would have had to shacked up with a Skrull prince cause Hulkling's thing is he's a space prince.

Thats the interesting thing, the Mar-Vell family characters has an immense importance on legacy as Mar-Vell was regarded as the greatest warrior the Kree Empire ever produced. Which is why they consider Mar-Vell's children so important and have tried to clone him, to recreate Mar-Vell in some manor but under their control.

So I'm curious how would that work here since Mar-Vell was changed from a great warrior into a scientist.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 28th 2022 at 8:32:51 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#139292: Jan 28th 2022 at 9:19:24 PM

Madame Masque also comes attached to the Maggia, who are all over the place in terms of potential thread level and could honestly be put up against practically everyone in the MCU depending on how Marvel chooses to adapt them.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#139293: Jan 28th 2022 at 10:12:33 PM

Madam Masque would likely be the big bad of a Young Avengers film right?

I am not sure why she would be? She's not a villain that requires a team of heroes.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#139294: Jan 29th 2022 at 12:32:14 AM

Just as she tends to be Kate Bishop's archenemy.

The issue with MCU Hulkling, is that Mar'vell died three and a half decades ago, and Hulkling is a teen (or young adult) hero.

But I guess you could solve that with some cryo-stasis.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#139295: Jan 29th 2022 at 12:55:25 AM

When Kate is by herself. But she hasn't faced off against Masque while with the Young Avengers.

Edited by Cortez on Jan 29th 2022 at 12:34:57 PM

Meistro2021 Since: Jul, 2021
#139296: Jan 29th 2022 at 5:09:33 AM

Alright, I want to tell you all that I just made a new theory, about Silk.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#139297: Jan 29th 2022 at 5:46:36 AM

Oh uh if their was any doubt Evangeline Lily is coming full out against vaccine mandates

Not sure how the third antman film is going to go. Hollywood has extremely strict vaccine mandates. At this point I would love if she and Letita we're just recasted? Is it not possible ?

Also on the opposite side of the spectrum. Simu Liu Calls on Media to ‘Stop Highlighting’ COVID-Related ‘Opinions That Are Not Rooted in Facts’ - Actor reveals in new tweets he lost his grandparents last year due to COVID

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dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#139298: Jan 29th 2022 at 6:39:47 AM

It's a little too late to recast, seeing as they completed principal photography in November.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#139299: Jan 29th 2022 at 7:03:38 AM

[up][up] I saw David Dastmalchian threw some shade at Lilly as well when she made that post.

[up] And yeah, as much as it sucks, recasting isn't on the table at the moment.

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Cross (Don’t ask)
#139300: Jan 29th 2022 at 7:06:23 AM

Would they recast her over this?


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