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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#139126: Jan 20th 2022 at 8:00:02 PM

The moral here is to not get too emotionally invested in things and people beyond your control. I learned that a while ago due to being a Ren and Stimpy fan.

Disgusted, but not surprised
jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#139127: Jan 20th 2022 at 8:00:19 PM

Yeah I knew about that. I never watched Last Stand (I heard it was terrible), but watching clips I can see why Grammer's Beast is so beloved. It's always a shame when you're following an actor/musician/and anyone else and they end up sucking.

Edit: I too learned after #metoo not to get to emotionally attached to actors, I think I've gotten better about it.

Edited by jjjj2 on Jan 20th 2022 at 11:00:53 AM

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AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#139128: Jan 20th 2022 at 8:05:38 PM

That's...a distressing thing I learned tonight.

Uh. Anyway. I just hope in general from a distance that for the sake of the fans they do more justice to the X-peeps outside of the core few from the Fo X-Men. And, y'know, cast them well.

Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#139129: Jan 20th 2022 at 8:06:37 PM

Grammar was well known throughout his career as one of the most vocally Republican actors in Hollywood (“that’s why Kelsey Grammar and I are always up for the same part!”), so it’s disappointing but not surprising to hear he went full Trump red.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jan 20th 2022 at 8:07:22 AM

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#139130: Jan 20th 2022 at 8:28:04 PM

The archetype Beast fulfills is usually Gentleman and a Scholar The Professor type, a cultured (and often verbose) academic type who is neither a bully flexing his intellect nor a socially awkward dweeb but simply a very intelligent guy who is comfortable in his intelligence and is rather affable and almost fatherly.

Well, I would argue that that sort of characterization is hard to make work for a younger character like Beast is in the prequel films, at least on the big screen.

Mind you, I haven't really read the earlier X-Men comics, so I couldn't tell you what Beast was like in the early days (I seem to recall reading that he was more like the Thing, in a way?).

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#139131: Jan 20th 2022 at 8:30:54 PM

Oh men, I like grammer in fraiser(I totally love that show) and yes, is chararter is rare nowdays because genius are there insuffrable or cutsy nerds to gush, is kinda telling how we percive inteligents nowdays.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#139132: Jan 20th 2022 at 8:37:25 PM

[up][up]Only in the first issue when they were still sorting out personalities. Beast was overly verbose from Issue 2 or 3 onwards.

A lot of early x-men was weird like that. Magneto's powers were much less defined, mutants didn't become hated and feared yet, Scott's optic blasts were solar powered, stuff like that.

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#139133: Jan 20th 2022 at 8:45:40 PM

Nicholas Hoult always does well in roles that are kinda freaky in terms of personality (The Great (!), Mad Max: Fury Road, Warm Bodies) and they never went that hard with Young Beast.

Edited by Synchronicity on Jan 20th 2022 at 10:46:31 AM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#139134: Jan 20th 2022 at 11:34:14 PM

Is it wrong that I want to see a universe where Trump is president and Beast remains Secretary of Mutant Affairs or US Ambassador to the United Nations?

Edited by windleopard on Jan 20th 2022 at 11:37:01 AM

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#139135: Jan 21st 2022 at 1:29:21 AM

It's a shame what has happened to Beast in the comics. tongue

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#139136: Jan 21st 2022 at 1:31:09 AM

People gave Cyclops so much grief for being an asshole when Beast is a bigger jackass than he's ever been.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#139137: Jan 21st 2022 at 3:41:37 AM

Beast was even called an asshole by the freaking Watcher himself. Throughout an entire issue.

That's really an impressive thing to achieve.

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jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#139138: Jan 21st 2022 at 3:43:20 AM

90s Animated Beast is still the greatest version. I will absolutely die on that hill. Well read, intellectual scientist who works for the best for humans AND mutants, but can absolutely throw down like, well, a beast.

And doesn't become a villain. So that's cool.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#139139: Jan 21st 2022 at 9:54:49 AM

Yeah.

Though he did have that one episode where he absolutely lost it and opened up an entire can on the Friends of Humanity for kidnapping a human girl he had a thing for.

Meanwhile, Logan actually thought things through and came up with a rather clever plan that revealed Graydon Creed as the son of Sabertooth.

There was even a Lampshade Hanging by Jubilee:

"Beast charging in head on, and Logan is coming up with a plan. What is going on?"

That last part is paraphrased.

I miss the Beast who's personality was completely atypical from his appearance, but could still remind you that he's called Beast for a reason.

Now....he's just a prick.

One Strip! One Strip!
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#139140: Jan 21st 2022 at 3:54:43 PM

Beast might not be as his name suggests, but he became something far lower. A monster.

Wake me up at your own risk.
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#139141: Jan 21st 2022 at 3:55:15 PM

He became..beastly

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#139142: Jan 21st 2022 at 6:25:31 PM

With no Beauty to tame him.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#139143: Jan 22nd 2022 at 1:02:59 PM

How trustworthy is a youtuder named Grace Randolph when it comes to the MCU? I have heard of her but never saw any of her videos. She or at least people who fallow her has been popping up on my twitter feed with MCU stuff and I don't know how trustworthy any of it is.

Edited by Bullman on Jan 22nd 2022 at 3:04:21 AM

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jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#139144: Jan 22nd 2022 at 1:05:10 PM

Judging by her wikipedia page, not very. Now just judging by who she follows on twitter she doesn't seem to be a right-wing asshole, but non-right-wing people can still be clickbait assholes.

Edited by jjjj2 on Jan 22nd 2022 at 4:08:19 AM

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#139145: Jan 22nd 2022 at 1:06:46 PM

Very untrustworthy. She’s got a big reputation around online film circles for spreading unverified and sometimes malicious rumors, and provoking harassment on filmmakers who deny her claims.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#139146: Jan 22nd 2022 at 1:08:27 PM

Oh. Okay. I will go on ignoring her and said followers then.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#139147: Jan 22nd 2022 at 5:35:42 PM

Yeah, I'm getting pretty damn tired of seeing Randolph show up in my Twitter feed. It's been known for a while that she's untrustworthy, yet she continues to gain traction online somehow.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Jan 22nd 2022 at 5:35:57 AM

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#139148: Jan 22nd 2022 at 5:50:00 PM

I'd block her or mute her. I find that takes care of the problem.

You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the mid
AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#139149: Jan 22nd 2022 at 5:52:24 PM

She sucks. Don't take anything from her seriously.

Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)
Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#139150: Jan 22nd 2022 at 8:56:55 PM

There has been reasonable evidence lately at least among the rumor mill that Grace has gotten new contacts that have more legit information, if that means anything. Of course taken with a heap of salt given everything.

That all said, I honestly wouldn't even trust her with the 100% God-honest truth. And that's because she's ultimately an "outrage merchant" (to quote Dan Olson) who can't help but constantly editorialize, sensationalize, and overall stoke meaningless culture-war controversy. Even if she had a straight-up content leak she'd still warp it to fit whatever narratives she's pushing and just trying to distill even that is not worth an ounce of the hassle. There's a reason why even other leakers dance around trying to even acknowledge any credit to her, and it's because fuck that noise.


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