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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

BOOXMOWO Since: Mar, 2013
#139001: Jan 17th 2022 at 7:22:01 PM

So we're starting the year of Marvel TV with a mindfuck again.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#139003: Jan 17th 2022 at 7:22:29 PM

I thought Olivia Octavius was made specifically for Into the Spider-Verse, unless you mean she's a composite with the usual Doc Ock.

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jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#139004: Jan 17th 2022 at 7:25:19 PM

What I'm saying is that the name could be a cover for another character, as is the case with all those that I listed (although agnes had a mountain of foreshadowing). Olivia it's more her gender, but still same basic idea.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#139006: Jan 17th 2022 at 8:14:40 PM

I definitely think Grant is a Fake Brit.

I'm digging the gritty psychological thriller elements the trailer teases, with the fact we're going to be witnessing this through "Steve's" eyes (although, it is curious they chose Steven for this working man personality rather than the more obvious Jake). This looks to be taking a few cues from the notorioulsly divisive Bemire run (Ethan Hawke is pretty definitely Sun King as far as I'm concerned), but hey maybe they can make use of its best elements.

Hope we get some real Lemire Mind Screw elements.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#139007: Jan 17th 2022 at 8:18:08 PM

We also got the synopsis.

The series follows Steven Grant, a mild-mannered gift-shop employee, who becomes plagued with blackouts and memories of another life. Steven discovers he has dissociative identity disorder and shares a body with mercenary Marc Spector. As Steven/Marc’s enemies converge upon them, they must navigate their complex identities while thrust into a deadly mystery among the powerful gods of Egypt. Moon Knight stars Oscar Isaac, Ethan Hawke and May Calamawy. Mohamed Diab and the team of Justin Benson & Aaron Moorhead directed the episodes. Jeremy Slater is the head writer, and Kevin Feige, Louis D’Esposito, Victoria Alonso, Brad Winderbaum, Mohamed Diab, Jeremy Slater and Oscar Isaac are the executive producers. Grant Curtis, Trevor Waterson and Rebecca Kirsch serve as co-executive producers.

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alanh Since: May, 2010
#139009: Jan 17th 2022 at 8:30:27 PM

Just a note, there's a Moon Knight thread over in the TV forum now.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#139010: Jan 17th 2022 at 9:35:36 PM

Supposedly, Moon Knight was gonna appear back in Iron Fist season 2 as a DID-afflicted mercenary hired to take down Danny Rand, much like how his comic book self debuted in Werewolf By Night, but was replaced with Typhoid Mary during the writing process.

If they continue to bring in actors from the Netflix shows it'd be cool (and extremely confusing tongue) to see Moon Knight clash with Mary some day.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Jan 17th 2022 at 12:36:44 PM

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#139011: Jan 17th 2022 at 9:50:04 PM

Typhoid Mary vs Moon Knight is such a natural match-up that I'm surprised the comics haven't used it more often.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#139012: Jan 17th 2022 at 10:56:32 PM

Alright. Saw the trailer.

I'm still worried about the whole idea of making DID connected to superpowers, but I can't deny it looks cool.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#139013: Jan 17th 2022 at 11:03:29 PM

Heh, that ship already sailed with The Incredible Hulk.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#139014: Jan 17th 2022 at 11:05:56 PM

Granted that part of Hulk has never been adapted in full.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#139015: Jan 17th 2022 at 11:25:03 PM

Yeah, and there's a big difference between portraying DID realistically for "coolness" and having your character physically transform into a different being when he switches personalities. The former in particular seems to have Unfortunate Implications tacked all over it.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#139016: Jan 17th 2022 at 11:29:41 PM

Of course they debute the Moon Knight trailer during a full moon.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#139017: Jan 17th 2022 at 11:33:26 PM

If Moon Knight ends up appearing in future works, I'm curious as to what other characters he'll get to meet.

From what I understand, Doctor Strange and Daredevil are people he's worked with before in the comics. And given his connection to the supernatural, I wouldn't be surprised if he and Blade hit it off.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#139018: Jan 17th 2022 at 11:34:01 PM

I'd say MK's touch in the subject is more acceptable since he is intended to be a cool and compelling character through viewing it in the styles of superhero theatrics.

[up] He has been a member of the Midnight Sons which includes characters like Blade and Ghost Rider.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 17th 2022 at 11:35:02 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#139019: Jan 17th 2022 at 11:49:33 PM

Note that Bruce Banner has sometimes turned into a different "Hulk" persona without actually physically transforming.

Back in Immortal Hulk this happened when he turned into "Joe Fixit".

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#139020: Jan 18th 2022 at 12:04:37 AM

I'm still worried about the whole idea of making DID connected to superpowers, but I can't deny it looks cool.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Moon Knight's shtick that he has DID and he has superpowers and the two are completely disconnected, except in his own mind because keeping all that straight is very confusing?

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#139021: Jan 18th 2022 at 12:08:12 AM

Most of the time he doesn't even have superpowers. His superpowers are based on how Khonshu's feeling towards him at the moment.

The exact cause of Marc's mental disorders has ultimately been a depending on the writer sort of thing. Various retcons disagree on when Marc first developed DID, when he first met Khonshu and how those two things are connected.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#139022: Jan 18th 2022 at 12:10:31 AM

Yeah, most of the time Moon Knight's a Badass Normal who fights with the skills he honed as a mercenary. The main difference is that he does it while wearing a costume.

Moon Knight's actually an example of Crazy Sane in a way — he's a much better person as Moon Knight than he was as Marc Spector. Marc Spector was a selfish violence addicted mercenary. Moon Knight's still got an addiction to violence, but at least he's channeling it into fighting crime and helping people.

Edited by M84 on Jan 19th 2022 at 4:11:29 AM

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#139023: Jan 18th 2022 at 12:16:02 AM

Oh cool, if you turn on subtitles for the trailer, it says the name of everyone when they're talking, and Marc is actually the one saying "Shut up" when he kicks the mirror, not Steven.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#139024: Jan 18th 2022 at 12:24:35 AM

Yeah, and there's a big difference between portraying DID realistically for "coolness" and having your character physically transform into a different being when he switches personalities.

Bruce Banner had DID even before he became the Hulk, at least in the comics.

And some alters like Joe Fixit and Devil Hulk have been able to switch with Bruce without transforming.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#139025: Jan 18th 2022 at 5:13:44 AM

Wait.

What the hell is Moon Knight beating up at the end? It's clearly not human. Maybe werewolf?


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