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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
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Yeah, I do think it's likely that there is a large amount of direct influence from Batman. Since Moon Knight is sort of a Corrupted Character Copy of Batman. I'm not sure how much is directly from The Shadow as opposed to being inspired by Batman, who was in turn inspired by The Shadow, but the Shadow's many personas
are reminiscent of Marc's.
That's part of why the Count of Monte Cristo comes to mind for me. Because Dantes has a good persona, Lord Wilmore, who is just a nice philanthropist, who describes himself as an enemy of the Count.
And you definitely have a problem when your main identity is not the good persona.
Edited by Hodor2 on Jan 17th 2022 at 4:29:50 AM
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Yay, I'm not the only one who watched Lupin! Great show.
I think part of the reason the whole "insane guy with DID thing" isn't used so much is because it's something that's really hard to pull off without it coming across as tone-deaf to actual people with DID. Split personalities are, I wouldn't say romanticized by any means, but they're used a lot in fiction, and rarely as a way that actually is accurate to how the disorder functions in Real Life.
I wouldn't say it's a Forgotten Trope or even a Discredited Trope, but I certainly don't think it's a popular one.
Edited by MatthewWayne on Jan 17th 2022 at 2:27:20 AM
"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."Huh that bit about Shuri's personality change reminds me of something funny about Black Panther, they completely sanded off all of his personal and family drama.
T'Chaka raised him to adulthood and saw him become Black Panther so even with his death his daddy issues aren't as bad, Ramonda as well raised him from birth so he grew up with both father and mother, with since Ramonda no longer being a foreigner she is beloved by Wakanda. He doesn't have a rivalry with his siblings, Hunter doesn't exist and Shuri isn't a warhawk nationalist who regards him as a disappointment (the exact opposite really). All of this resulted in T'Challa being an emotionally healthy individual who doesn't wear a cold king mask and manipulates the people around to protect them.
T'Challa's life here is borderline perfect which is funny to think about. It wasn't until his father's death and learning about T'Chaka killing his uncle resulting in Killmonger that he gained any kind of baggage.
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I'd say DID is *sensationised* in media. Which is laughable media feels the need to do that considering how high concept a lot of identity systems can be.
Like the recurring theme I see in DID protrayals that out side of the host who does the day to day life, the other alters are almost never protrayed as people you'd actually want to be friends with.
Like the script might humanise the most prominant host alter, but all the other alters get treated as a problem, rather than identities with a more limited perspective that could be communicated with.
But there's just something so dramatic about a different identity living inside a likable character who is just messing everything up without any clear chance of resolving.
@Hodor 2: With Moon Knight his creator (and writer of his character-defining run) Doug Moench has said he was in fact cribbing off directly from The Shadow (the run directly after him has MK declare: "Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men? Khonshu knows!" as a tip of the hat), so it was a deliberate Shout-Out. In the earlier stories they were actually just alternate personates, but towards the middle of the Moensch run he starts to confuse which identity is the real him (or if none are) and that's when the notion of "Moon Knight is insane" started to kick off.
Still, at first it wasn't like separate alters allá D.I.D but more like he just has a extremely loose grasp on reality and of who he was, so as to characterize him as being closer to schizophrenic than with D.I.D. Which is still how he's often played when the D.I.D thing isn't used. Ellis, Lemire and Jed Mackay (current MK writer) all head more into that direction. Lemire does play with multiple personalities but he does so while implicating one of them might be the real one and the others may just be vivid delusions of it, since the story deals with nested reality.
If you play it like that, MK doesn't have D.I.D but paranoid schizophrenia and his alters aren't alters but grandiose delusions of a mind trying to grip to what it sees as reality. Granted, I'm not a psychiatrist so this is me spitballing.
PS: Lupin was indeed a very fun show and I hope it continues.
Ironically Moon Knight kind of escapes that bit. Marc Spector, Steve Grant, Jake Lockley and Moon Knight are all relatively good personalities with their internal flaws (Grant is apathetic, Lockley is coarse, MK is a fanatic). Spector is the worst of them as he was a ruthless mercenary, but he is also the original personality (well, in theory), and he's The Atoner. He has no "evil" personality, even if all the ones present are flawed to their own extents.
Edited by Gaon on Jan 17th 2022 at 3:34:42 AM
"All you Fascists bound to lose."It doesn't help that DID has for a long time been handled very poorly in media and "he's got multiple personalities 'cuz he's craaaaaaaaazy" is both a fairly old trope and something that I believe has been used with Moon Knight himself.
But yeah, it does sound like the best way to deal with it is to not go into the DID angle at all - I imagine the schizophrenia and psychosis will be more than enough. Not to dig up old convos but if you want superhero DID best way to go is Bruce Banner.
I think when Shuri first appeared she wasn’t super nationalist
It was Doom nearly assassinating T’Challa, stealing all of the vibranium, and causing a coup and then Namor flooding the country what probably did it
Also T’Challa ditched the country in her lap after it had been economically and militarily devastated by the loss of vibranium so he could go be Daredevil
Her entire association with the Black Panther role was an intense downwards cynicism spiral
Forever liveblogging the AvengersI'm kind of thinking/hoping that he's supposed to be a Fake Brit in-universe given that someone who calls him in the trailer has an American accent and also in the trailer, Marc doesn't remember being Marc. He's living in a different identity.
Composite Character, Henri Ducard/Ra's Al Ghul, Olivia Octavius, Agatha all along are all viable possibilites.

Yeah I always thought Jack Locke was Matches Malone, Steve Grant was Bruce Wayne's public persona, and Moon Knight was the Batman.
But I think it maps even easier onto the Spector.