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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#138901: Jan 16th 2022 at 8:09:10 AM

I get the costume complaints. Adding gold piping to every costume possible is really weird. Sometimes I feel it's a matter of people wanting to make like one minor change to the costume so they can call it their own.

Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#138902: Jan 16th 2022 at 8:09:24 AM

[up][up]They need to sell new toys.

Edited by Akirakan on Jan 16th 2022 at 11:09:54 AM

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#138903: Jan 16th 2022 at 8:29:15 AM

Most of it is to with merchandise yeah,same reason Red Skull has never been prominent as a villain the MCU,its hard to sell action figures of a nazi

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#138904: Jan 16th 2022 at 8:31:06 AM

New looks are also good marketing

You can hype up a movie without revealing anything by showing off a new costume

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#138905: Jan 16th 2022 at 8:36:08 AM

MCU Iron Spider is straight-up better than comics Iron Spider, hands down. At least partially because it's actually less Stark-ified than the comics version, which is literally a Spidey suit restricted to Iron Man's red/gold color palette. Also no DCEU Flash is not simple, the classic red is literally broken up everywhere with black mesh and wires and if we're gonna pick on unreleased material then the upcoming new suits for Flash and Shazam are covered all over with LINES.

Like that's what it boils down to, this aesthetic of using lines and off-colors to enhance musculature as well as emphasizing textures for realism. And I know he himself acknowledges it as a nitpick but it really is like the nitpick of all nitpicks. It's fine.

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#138906: Jan 16th 2022 at 8:42:25 AM

It’d look busy on the page but I think more complicated suits work better in motion

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#138907: Jan 16th 2022 at 8:45:11 AM

I'm at least glad they got rid of the cape for Blank Panther's costume.

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Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#138908: Jan 16th 2022 at 8:51:22 AM

MCU Iron Spider looks waaaay too shiny for me, but at least it makes better sense than the comic version. Wtf does Comics!Iron Spider has only 3 legs??

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#138909: Jan 16th 2022 at 9:01:31 AM

I don't dislike the MCU Iron Spider suit (and I will agree that the comic one is even more Iron Man-y).

However, I do like the kind of sinister look of the comic Iron Spider suit. It reminds me more of the Black Suit in appearance.

Whereas the Iron Spider suit in the movie has the look of a standard Spider-Man costume. Just with robotics. Kind of reminds me of Batman's Power Armor in Batman Vs. Superman. Which granted, makes sense because in the MCU, the Iron Spider suit is Peter's usual costume.

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#138910: Jan 16th 2022 at 9:10:13 AM

~Nightwire: This Twitter post.

Also no DCEU Flash is not simple, the classic red is literally broken up everywhere with black mesh and wires and if we're gonna pick on unreleased material then the upcoming new suits for Flash and Shazam are covered all over with LINES.

I thought my post was going on too long, but I was thinking of exactly this when Browntable brought up the DCEU as a counterpoint. He barely gave lipservice to the CW counterparts, and it was just to retread the tired "uses leather" comment that the universe has been moving away from.

Grant Gustin's suit has only gotten more comic-book accurate, yet still makes sensible concessions for semi-realism and practical reasons. (Namely the chin-guard, which works much better on Grant's figure than the Season 6 season where he lacked it just to mirror the comics.)


So besides the "overdesigned" complaint, there's also the critique that the MCU designs are borderline militarized? Which, besides the actually military-related characters like Captain Marvel, Hawkeye, and Steve's solo Captain America suit, I don't really see it?

Edited by XMenMutant22 on Jan 16th 2022 at 12:15:49 PM

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#138911: Jan 16th 2022 at 9:15:03 AM

I prefer the Iron Spider from the comics exactly because it looks different. In general i prefer when the alternate Spider suits looks different.

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#138912: Jan 16th 2022 at 9:19:24 AM

I feel like the Amazing Spider-Man 2 suit is the best and will probably never be topped as far as live action Spider-Man suits go.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#138913: Jan 16th 2022 at 9:22:00 AM

[up] I honestly prefered the suit in the first movie, because it was much more distinct.

My favorite one though is still the Raimi one. I just love the art style of the webbing on it.

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#138914: Jan 16th 2022 at 9:38:09 AM

Raimi suit is also my favorite one, though I'm also partial to the suit in Homecoming for being simple and having the comic-accurate "reactive eyes".

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#138915: Jan 16th 2022 at 9:46:04 AM

the Remi films are basically First Installment Wins

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#138916: Jan 16th 2022 at 9:48:32 AM

The take that ruined the Amazing Spider-Man suits for me was when I saw someone saying that the MCU Spidey suits are so sleek and the details so understated, while the Amazing Spider-Man suit looks like it was sewn together from a bunch of basketballs. Now I can't unsee that.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#138917: Jan 16th 2022 at 10:03:40 AM

I kind of love the "seen together from basketballs" tidbit. It's nice that it's a suit I could believe make could make. You can even see individual stiches and seems on his gloves during the POV moments.

I'd rate it definitably below the second Amazing suit, and if that suit had gotten a second film I think it would have really outstayed it's welcome, but I like it as a first suit.

The Rami suit I always felt didn't look like it existed in universe it was so perfect with its fixed mask underneath it. Though it looked great when it enevitably got shredded each film.

I imagine Spidey's next suit is going to be my favourite once we get a good look at it (if they nail the logo, I've always hated the homecoming suit's tiny blocky spider logo)

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#138918: Jan 16th 2022 at 10:11:43 AM

Am I the only one who just doesn't care what kind of suit Peter wears? None of the suits have bothered me much at all except maybe the eyes on Amazing Peter's second costume.

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#138919: Jan 16th 2022 at 10:16:03 AM

Personally, I have to see them side-by-side to even notice the difference, with the exception of the ones that are meant to really stand out like the Iron Spider. But for basic Spidey suits, a Spidey Man is a Spidey Man. Unless they're right in front of me, I'd swear to you that Maguire, Garfield, and Holland all wear the same costume.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#138920: Jan 16th 2022 at 10:40:42 AM

I would say I find the Iron Spider kinda overused. My main issue with the suit is due to the colors and the hexagonal design patterns especially on how it affects the spider symbol.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#138921: Jan 16th 2022 at 10:41:30 AM

On a tangent, I like that the MCU Black Panther hasn't got a cape, but if M'baku becomes the next black panther, Winston Duke's stature would look great in a cape.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#138922: Jan 16th 2022 at 12:15:07 PM

On the topic of costumes, that MK teaser appears to have confirmed the previous leaks about what the costume will look like.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/screenshot_20220115_200121_youtube.jpg

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 16th 2022 at 12:15:44 PM

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#138923: Jan 16th 2022 at 12:31:20 PM

I really hope that's a beta. It'd lose a lot to not see the bright white costume in live action.

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#138924: Jan 16th 2022 at 12:34:05 PM

It looks like stand in before they add the CGI honestly

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#138925: Jan 16th 2022 at 12:36:58 PM

I think the costume is bright white, it's just in deep shadow.


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