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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#138876: Jan 15th 2022 at 12:14:17 PM

I'd bring back Killmonger, but in that afterlife the Black Panthers access when they eat the herb.

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Google "big ears"
#138877: Jan 15th 2022 at 12:17:02 PM

Random question

In Wandavision, Agatha says that the Scarlet Witch is more powerful than the sorcerer supreme

Does she refer to the Ancient one or Strange? or Wong given that NWH established him as the sorcerer supreme on a technicality?

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#138878: Jan 15th 2022 at 12:22:34 PM

At this rate, I wonder if we should just pluck a T'Challa variant from another universe and transplant him into the MCU.

Or better yet, just have T'Challa go through some epic plastic surgery makeover thing after an accident that causes him to look like a different actor.

I'm also against a redemption arc for Killmonger, but I wouldn't mind him being resurrected as a villain again. He was entertaining in What If.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Jan 15th 2022 at 12:23:53 PM

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#138879: Jan 15th 2022 at 12:35:19 PM

Let the dead rest, I say. I wouldn't mind Killmonger cameoing if they do the "ghosts of Black Panthers past" bit again (but T'Challa's absence would be painfully noticeable) but don't resurrect him, as a villain or as a hero.

Winston Duke as the new Black Panther would be interesting. He's a bit burlier than I'd expect from a superhero role that's more about being lithe and pouncing on people, but his characterization and situation in the Wakanda hierarchy is an interesting (mis)match.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#138880: Jan 15th 2022 at 12:38:51 PM

Most of the pouncing and agility would be done by a CGI model anyway.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#138881: Jan 15th 2022 at 12:48:09 PM

I'm not talking about the feasibility of Duke doing the stuntwork, I'm talking about how weird it'd look in the final product.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#138882: Jan 15th 2022 at 2:36:34 PM

Yeah, I think What If was enough for 'bringing back Killmonger'.

dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#138883: Jan 15th 2022 at 3:22:08 PM

Does she refer to the Ancient one or Strange? or Wong given that NWH established him as the sorcerer supreme on a technicality?

Could just be in general. Agatha's quoting from the Darkhold, after all.

Okey Dokey!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#138884: Jan 15th 2022 at 4:02:36 PM

I just now thought that out of the Wasps, I prefer Janet over Hope.

Cause like here Janet and Hank have a pretty good dynamic, being a quirky scientist couple with Janet being the bubbly outgoing one while Hank is more insular and socially awkward one.

By contrast Scott and Hope is more the general man and woman bickering with each other.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#138885: Jan 15th 2022 at 4:12:02 PM

I kind of like Janet being a fashion designer, that doesn't get adapted much and it's an interesting day job for a superhero. (Also she should design the costumes of a few of her superhero collugues)

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#138886: Jan 15th 2022 at 4:20:00 PM

[up][up] Honestly, I really liked Hank and Jan's relationship in Earth's Mightiest Heroes because of that. Janet was someone who wasn't really that well-versed in Hank's studies, but supported him nonetheless. I liked how it also contrasted their approaches to being superheroes, where Jan was someone who loved fighting villains, where Hank was much more reluctant and cared more about rehabilitating former criminals than actually fighting them.

XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#138887: Jan 15th 2022 at 4:27:30 PM

[up]x2: While playing Avengers Academy, it was a pleasant surprise to have that Janet's fashion sense and costume designing be a recurring trait for her (alongside the feistiness of her EHM counterpart). She has the most alternative costumes in the game as a result, and runs the in-universe costume shop on campus.

Edited by XMenMutant22 on Jan 15th 2022 at 7:27:59 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#138888: Jan 15th 2022 at 4:29:52 PM

It was a plot point in the Busiek Avengers that Janet designed new outfits for Justice and Firestar when they joined the roster.

Firestar didn't really like how daring her outfit was but also was too nervous to tell Original Avenger Wasp that. But she later wears a variant with the massive plunging neckline covered up so either she got up the nerve, Jan figured it out, or Jan just changed the design because changing designs is what she does.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#138889: Jan 15th 2022 at 4:32:06 PM

[up][up][up] It made for some very good drama and interactions.

As much as they love each other they have tremendously opposing viewpoints and that winds up putting a strain on their marriage.

[up][up] Hey thats pretty cool.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 15th 2022 at 4:33:32 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#138890: Jan 15th 2022 at 7:38:51 PM

What If pretty clearly established that Killmonger will never be a good guy.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#138891: Jan 15th 2022 at 10:32:15 PM

Hank was much more reluctant and cared more about rehabilitating former criminals than actually fighting them.

Too bad he was never allowed to be successful at rehabilitating Super Villains.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#138892: Jan 15th 2022 at 10:41:06 PM

They could have given him a success or two. Marvel isn't a stranger to villain redemptions. Few stick in the long, long term because of the forever story thing. But EMH wasn't a forever ongoing story where there needed to be a steady supply of villains at all times.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#138893: Jan 15th 2022 at 10:41:07 PM

This is Eternals-specific (no spoilers though), but since I heard their theme I've been thinking how much the key part of it sounds like the theme of the first Marvel: Ultimate Alliance.

Bear with me:

0:55 to 1:09.

0:12 to 0:30.

Am I going crazy here or are The Eternals part of the Ultimate Alliance?

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#138894: Jan 15th 2022 at 10:46:11 PM

What's worse is that Hank wound up losing his mind and became a hardliner against supervillains.

His story there is incredibly sad.

[up][up] Heh next time we get a UA game, there will prolly be an Eternal or 2.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 15th 2022 at 10:46:52 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#138895: Jan 16th 2022 at 6:45:03 AM

A video on the MCU's tendency to overcomplicate costume designs (warning: there are a few minor No Way Home spoilers in the video, but nothing you don't already know).

I definitely agree with this.

Edited by Nightwire on Jan 16th 2022 at 6:46:10 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#138896: Jan 16th 2022 at 6:45:47 AM

playback error

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#138897: Jan 16th 2022 at 6:48:08 AM

Seems unfair to put the Thor outfit in the thumbnail when we haven't seen the final version yet.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#138898: Jan 16th 2022 at 7:15:01 AM

They gotta get clicks somehow

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#138899: Jan 16th 2022 at 7:45:26 AM

I think the fact that Browntable was stumbling between which of the leaked Thor art to use, and noting how he wasn't even sure if it was finalized, was emblematic that he should've just left it off as his smoking gun.

Personally, I don't really find the "overdesigned" critique to hamper my experience with these costumes, as I generally find them still readable (and in some cases, I tend to like the MCU suits more than their comic book counterparts).

People have had their say on Shang-Chi and Black Panther's Civil War suit (on-set) looking awkward/awful based on the same leaks or merchandise art, then changing their tunes upon their proper contextual releases. I imagine that will probably happen for Thor and Ms. Marvel.

I can, at least, understand that Browntable feels that these are generally just nitpicks and doesn't really ruin his experience either.


Also, by coincidence, there was a trending Twitter post that complained how they were sick of Costume Evolutions and just want the finalized suit as soon as possible.

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#138900: Jan 16th 2022 at 8:07:04 AM

[up] Can you give me a link to that Twitter thread?

And yeah, it's also a point of contention for me. I don't really get why every MCU character never wears the same costume for more than one film. Is it just to give the costume designers a job?

Holland's Spider-Man literally has never had a consistent look, and I'm quite annoyed about it, because I love the Homecoming suit.

Edited by Nightwire on Jan 16th 2022 at 8:09:12 AM


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