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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#138776: Jan 11th 2022 at 12:47:27 PM

He brought everyone back from the Snap, so I wouldn't say he barely did anything in Endgame.

Edited by Weirdguy149 on Jan 11th 2022 at 3:47:52 PM

The legend has returned.
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#138777: Jan 11th 2022 at 12:53:10 PM

I dont mind the heavy weight super heroes being reduced to reasonably powerful in the MCU but I dislike it when that power squishing ends up being uneven, and Hulk seems to have been uniquely left behind because he hasn't had any of his own films to progress his power creep.

In Phase 3 and even phase 2 Hulk gets bested a lot. Hulk Buster has an admittably satisfying and hard fought win against Hulk. Hulk technically beats a hammerless Thor in Ragnarok, but needs the Grandmaster to rig it for him. Thanos trounces him entirely.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#138778: Jan 11th 2022 at 1:08:33 PM

People have been clamoring for that Hulk rematch against Thanos only to be disappointed he never got one. Hell Scarlet Witch and Cap Marvel both got their exchanges with him.

It is rather sad that the last fight Hulk was in was Thanos curb-stomping him.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#138779: Jan 11th 2022 at 1:20:08 PM

If they had kept that scene in Infinity War of Banner and Hulk merging then Hulk would’ve gotten a little one over Thanos by restraining him at The Garden.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#138780: Jan 11th 2022 at 1:25:34 PM

Man, that deleted scene from Infinity War is the one deleted scene I wished they added back into an MCU film. It would've actually given Bruce and Hulk a proper resolution to their arc. That's the problem. Professor Hulk in Endgame was supposed to be the epilogue to that plotline, but the cut the resolution and had it happened off-screen.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#138781: Jan 11th 2022 at 1:35:55 PM

Hulk's big wins are mostly destroying mook armies or voiceless giant monsters like the Leviathan or Fenis.

He did destroy Loki and Ultron Prime, and were placed off as such one sided fights they were comedic.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#138782: Jan 11th 2022 at 1:44:51 PM

How could you forget the Abomination fight here tongue

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#138783: Jan 11th 2022 at 1:49:17 PM

[up] I hope we get a scene of Abomination awkwardly stepping up to the stand when he's interviewed as a witness at one of Jennifer's court cases, lol.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#138784: Jan 11th 2022 at 1:55:29 PM

I don't find the Abomination fight indicative of how powerful the Hulk is considering the Abomination has the same amount of power as the Hulk.

Also, Wong beat the Abomination in a friendly cage match.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#138785: Jan 11th 2022 at 1:56:39 PM

By making him punch himself.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#138786: Jan 11th 2022 at 2:21:32 PM

[up] Still a loss.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#138787: Jan 11th 2022 at 2:34:45 PM

But not one that says anything about his strength level, other than he's able to punch himself out.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#138788: Jan 11th 2022 at 2:36:47 PM

"Hulk's big wins are mostly destroying mook armies or voiceless giant monsters like the Leviathan or Fenis. "

Even is win against fenrir seen off because they just fall in asgard rather than hulk killing him.

I still salty that ragnarok didnt give us jormungander vs Hulk, now that would be epic.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#138789: Jan 11th 2022 at 2:38:09 PM

Abomination is a starter villain and since then qe havn't really gotten any Hulk villains.

Leader hasn't shown up despite being teased at the end of The Incredible Hulk.

As said Hulk mostly just fights the armies and occasionally a big monster.

[up] Oh shit man that would have been epic.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 11th 2022 at 2:38:32 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#138790: Jan 11th 2022 at 2:40:17 PM

Professor Hulk does have the strength though, right? Didn't he hold up the wreckage of the Avenger's compound in Endgame? What he lacks is the desire to fight people, because Banner is generally a pretty reserved guy. And even if he did feel the need to fight, it'd be pretty different since he lacks that extreme aggression.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#138791: Jan 11th 2022 at 2:54:19 PM

Yes but he didn’t fight anyone.

Strange sat out the entire final battle because he was holding back a flood and a lot of people complain about that.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 11th 2022 at 2:55:31 AM

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#138792: Jan 11th 2022 at 3:00:26 PM

He fought a bit in the final battle.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#138793: Jan 11th 2022 at 3:25:55 PM

I will say something for Ang Lee's Hulk film, and that was the the fight between Hulk and Absorbing man was amazing and makes me want to see Absorbing man in the MCU.

Absorbing man is one of those elemental villains who are feesibly impossible to kill (even if with science easy to trap and defeat) so you can show your heroes really cutting loose against them, but absorbing man can be ANY element he comes in contact with, allowog for really dynamic multi stage fights.

Great for giving Hulk and opotunity to display his strength, but also Banner his intelligence.

And since he pretty much can't be killed or captured, can easily escape, but needs down time to reconstruct his body, he makes for a good recurring villain.

I'd say introduce him in a Thor film if we can't wait for a hulk film, but Thor is probably going to have his hands soon in Love and Thunder already.

Edited by Whowho on Jan 11th 2022 at 11:27:01 AM

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#138794: Jan 11th 2022 at 3:53:18 PM

I will say something for Ang Lee's Hulk film, and that was the the fight between Hulk and Absorbing man was amazing and makes me want to see Absorbing man in the MCU.

Ouch, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. just got dissed.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#138795: Jan 11th 2022 at 7:42:43 PM

Isn't the Leader going to show up in the She-Hulk series?

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#138796: Jan 11th 2022 at 7:43:54 PM

I think so. Since it's a tv show, it's basically the only place they can do any Hulk mythos stuff unless they put Hulk into someone else's movie again.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#138797: Jan 11th 2022 at 8:14:33 PM

I think the Hulk’s lack of focus means both aspects of the character get shafted.

There’s no focus on Hulk’s cerebral parts, the dualism in how the Hulk represents Bruce’s broken mental state, or the various issues surrounding Bruce that lead to the creation of the Hulk. Is it confirmed whether Bruce had a shitty childhood?

Then the people who like the Hulk purely for the spectacle are also let down because he rarely gets a chance to really cut loose. The most he gets is fighting fodder but he never gets the big one on one moments against a major villain barring his fight with Thanos that ended in his loss.

So Hulk just ends up rather diluted with neither the compelling character drama or the astonishing feats that makes him well-liked.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#138798: Jan 11th 2022 at 8:18:54 PM

I count Bruce and Hulk as the same character, so Bruce's win against Cull Obsidion using the Hulkbuster is a Hulk win by proxy.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#138799: Jan 11th 2022 at 8:39:04 PM

With the exception of Ragnarok and Infinity War, MCU Hulk has always been an extension of Banner rather than alternate personality anyway (and the change gets a good explanation as being a consequence of being Hulk for so long in space after Ultron), which is arguably something the lack of a solo Hulk film allowed to happen. I tbh prefer that characterization to comics Hulk's "Banner is ultimately the guy who carries Hulk around" dichotomy, so I've always liked that more distant take on him.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#138800: Jan 11th 2022 at 11:41:04 PM

Y'know, Hulk's brief moment in What If where he fights off a bunch of zombies was kinda cool, and I like that he was given the Adaptational Badass treatment in that episode. Maybe it's just me tho.

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