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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#138726: Jan 9th 2022 at 11:18:16 AM

[up] He looks like an enemy from Bioshock or something to me.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#138727: Jan 9th 2022 at 2:46:08 PM

People always say that thanos was right. But he still wanted to keep half of the universe. Ultron was on the internet for 5 seconds and realized it all needed to go

- random MCU-related anecdote

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#138728: Jan 9th 2022 at 5:11:48 PM

[up] In fairness, I'm pretty sure Thanos would've gone to full genocide if he discovered how many memes of him existed online.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#138729: Jan 9th 2022 at 5:37:50 PM

[up][up][up] Also the Hellghast from Hellzone.

Huh Far From Home is on the TV, shit those Edith glasses. What was Tony thinking? You gotta wonder what he would have done for Morgan when she grew up.

Make her a space station with fully functioning artillery?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#138730: Jan 9th 2022 at 5:41:49 PM

"And to my daughter Morgan, I leave Sol's Hammer. My partial dyson sphere that shoots a solar powered kill laser."

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#138731: Jan 9th 2022 at 6:06:00 PM

"I also bequeath you my prototype Godbuster Armor. It's like the Hulkbuster, but for Gods. Not lower case "g" like Thor either. I'm not 100% sure God exists, but I still want you to be able to punch Him in the face all the same."

Disgusted, but not surprised
OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#138732: Jan 9th 2022 at 6:15:07 PM

Then Thor breaks it by accident.

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#138733: Jan 9th 2022 at 6:16:47 PM

Hilariously the MCU Hulkbuster is the only buster that has actually defeated the Hulk.

Literally every other time everywhere else it gets totaled with little effort.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#138734: Jan 9th 2022 at 6:50:07 PM

I was totally expecting the Hulkbuster to fail, the fact that it actually won was a really nice surprise.

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#138735: Jan 9th 2022 at 6:59:20 PM

Of course, the purists didn't like that very much, who take "The Hulk is the strongest there is" too literally, even when there are thousands of cosmic beings who could stomp Hulk like an ant.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Jan 9th 2022 at 7:01:16 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#138736: Jan 9th 2022 at 7:01:36 PM

Though in this case it’s more Tony can never build anything that can actually equal the Hulk.

Tech has limits, Hulk less so……

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#138737: Jan 9th 2022 at 8:05:23 PM

That seems arbitrary. Why is gamma radiation some magical force of infinite power but tech can't be?

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#138738: Jan 9th 2022 at 8:14:03 PM

Between Tony willing EDITH to Peter and Doctor Strange rushing blindly into a spell that has the potential to destroy reality without even hashing the specifics out ahead of time, I feel like the Spider-Man writers really don't know how to write the main MCU heroes.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#138739: Jan 9th 2022 at 8:20:47 PM

[up][up] Well Tony can never really get a leg up on Hulk. Same with Thor, Tony has attempted many times to establish his domineer on Thor only for Thor to remind him that he’s nothing more than a tin man in a suit to him.

Black Panther is exempt from this though, his tech is allowed to reach Hulk and Thor’s level to kick their asses.

I’m reminded of this moment in Immortal Hulk Hulk is fighting the Avengers. Now he tears through Tony’s new Hulkbuster like paper mache and gives Thor a concussion, but Black Panther without any major enhancements cuts through his limbs like a knife through butter and is the only Avenger who does any significant damage to him.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 9th 2022 at 8:23:24 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#138740: Jan 9th 2022 at 8:26:32 PM

[up][up] Well to be fair, Spider-Man's stories are primarily supposed to be about the title character, so it makes sense that the writing would be a bit weaker for the other heroes.

It doesn't help that per the Sony contract, most of the other heroes were pretty much forced to show up Spidey's films to basically say "Hey, look! Peter's in the MCU! He's part of the MCU! This hero is giving him unnecessary help to establish that Peter's in the MCU!"

Edited by MatthewWayne on Jan 9th 2022 at 8:30:21 AM

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#138741: Jan 9th 2022 at 9:15:59 PM

It's now occurred to me: when did Tony arrange for Peter to get the Edith glasses? Was this something he set up before the Snap happened and never bothered changing after Peter died, or did he, in between planning the Time Heist and actually going on it, take some time to arrange what would happen in case he died but Peter got brought back to life?

Or, when he used the Infity Gauntlet to Blip everyone back to life, did he add "and whip up some fancy smart glasses to give to Peter" while he was at it?

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#138742: Jan 9th 2022 at 9:21:31 PM

That seems arbitrary. Why is gamma radiation some magical force of infinite power but tech can't be?

Well, according to Immortal Hulk, gamma radiation literally is a magical force of infinite power, the byproduct of the One Below All's hatred of all existence.

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HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#138743: Jan 10th 2022 at 12:55:55 AM

[up][up] While it doesn't work perfectly, I think "did it before the snap and didn't bother changing" probably works. While I could see Tony just-pre-time-heist thinking about what happened if he failed, 'succeeding at undoing the snap but still dying' is possibly too specific.


I feel like Immortal Hulk is just the worst power creep. Thankfully none of that has been used in the MCU thus far.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#138744: Jan 10th 2022 at 1:01:33 AM

I'm also reminded of this moment from Avengers Assemble where Black Panther actually fights Thor one on one and wins cause he kept blasting him with lightning which T'Challa then redirects with his tech.

Thats all he did in the fight weirdly enough. Just stood around and shoot lightning, he didn't even try to hit him with the hammer.

[up] Jason Aaron's Avengers says hello. That starts with the growing giant-sized and beating up a bunch of Celestials of which Iron Man did create a Celestial sized mech armor that actually work. tongue

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 10th 2022 at 1:10:25 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#138745: Jan 10th 2022 at 1:04:13 AM

There is of course the number one rule; the winner is whoever the writers want. Whatever contrived nonsense is required for that to happen.

SAwatching from south africa Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#138746: Jan 10th 2022 at 4:09:31 AM

There is a difference between the comics Gamma radiation and the movies.

Bruce becomes the Hulk in the comics when bombarded by Gamma radiation.

Whilst in Movies it was a combination of Gamma and an imperfect super-soldier serum.

In the comics anyone who exposes themselves Gamma radation would become a mutant.

In the movies it seems that Banner is the only 'true' gamma mutant, all others get gammaed up via exposer from his gamma blood (though how effective it is is proberly a cause of plot)

Sincerely S Awatching.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#138747: Jan 10th 2022 at 4:19:00 AM

Actually in the comics most people just get sick when exposed to gamma radiation.

Only people who share common ancestry with Banner or people genetically modified for it will become gamma mutates.

Immortal Hulk ended up reinforcing this by revealing that Banner and Sterns (ie the Leader) are distantly related.

Edited by M84 on Jan 10th 2022 at 8:20:38 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#138748: Jan 10th 2022 at 6:17:40 AM

Between Tony willing EDITH to Peter and Doctor Strange rushing blindly into a spell that has the potential to destroy reality without even hashing the specifics out ahead of time, I feel like the Spider-Man writers really don't know how to write the main MCU heroes.

It's kinda weird. EDITH was framed as yet another thing Tony casually did. Just your totally non-lethal drones that are only bad when used by bad guys. Totally not some watered-down version of Ultron or Project Insight.

As for Strange's spell, it's a bit disturbing that they frame this massive scope mind-wiping spell as something that Doctor Strange can casually do without any real consequence if done correctly. The fact they frame it this way retrospectively creates problems for previous movies and later ones, because this is a mind-wiping spell that has no range, target limitation, etc. and which Strange can technically just spam.

Edited by dmcreif on Jan 10th 2022 at 9:18:25 AM

Okey Dokey!
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#138749: Jan 10th 2022 at 6:59:26 AM

In fairness, having a kaiju sized celestial fighting armor hidden on Mars in case he ever needed to fight Celestials is 100% something Tony would do

The fact that his giant armor wasn’t great at actually fighting Celestials, in the tradition of all his -buster armors, just makes it more accurate

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Asherinka from Winterfell Since: Jan, 2018
#138750: Jan 10th 2022 at 7:16:27 AM

[up][up] I'm willing to bet Strange will get his comeuppance in MoM. Sounds like THE reason Mordo and Co will arrest him.

Edited by Asherinka on Jan 10th 2022 at 7:16:46 AM

Of all the things at risk, the loss of an objective reality is perhaps the most dangerous.

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