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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#138626: Jan 5th 2022 at 8:45:32 AM

[up][up]You could make it work. It could be that strange does a spell that goes wrong for a different reason and Eddie gets sucked to the universe briefly, but then strange quickly undoes it, having the symbiote be left in the world. If there were Sony rights problems you could even have Eddie entirely offscreen. I believe since marvel has rights to animation, you could do that with the symbiote.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#138627: Jan 5th 2022 at 8:52:29 AM

[up] Marvel has the rights to Spider-Man animation, but as seen in the actual What If, there's only so much you can do with him without getting Screwed by the Lawyers. And seeing as though the zombies episode couldn't even use Peter's Homecoming suit, I highly doubt the symbiote suit is on the table.

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#138628: Jan 5th 2022 at 8:54:03 AM

RE the Black Suit concept art, I'm of two minds. It is genuinely creepy, which is cool.

But I would think (at least initially) that the Black Suit should look from the outside like a normal costume. And wouldn't make anyone suspect that it was sentient alien space goo (they'd probably just figure it was made up of the ubiquitous nanomachines).

So, the way I'd imagine it, the symbiote would have that kind of creepy look when bonding with Peter and when it starts taking him over. But in between would just look like spandex.

jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#138629: Jan 5th 2022 at 9:02:29 AM

[up][up]Given that they are making freshman year, I do think they might have rights to the symbiote just not Eddie himself, or rather Sony Universe Eddie.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#138630: Jan 5th 2022 at 9:21:01 AM

[up] There's no guarantee that it'll appear though.

And with that teaser in No Way Home's stinger, I think it would be pretty pointless to introduce the symbiote in a prequel series.

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jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#138631: Jan 5th 2022 at 10:05:54 AM

I happen to agree actually, I was more making a scenario where Targetmaster Joe's scenario could work.

Edited by jjjj2 on Jan 5th 2022 at 1:06:36 PM

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#138632: Jan 5th 2022 at 12:13:57 PM

The 90s animated series always sold me on the idea that the black suit is a smooth black gloss that is slightly translucent enough to reveal dark purple and blue hues when it catches the light.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#138633: Jan 5th 2022 at 12:17:38 PM

Why did the Raimi movies make the black suit have the web lines?

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#138634: Jan 5th 2022 at 12:19:17 PM

Rule of Cool I'd imagine

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#138635: Jan 5th 2022 at 12:24:15 PM

Yeah, the Raimi Symbiote Suit really looks great that way.

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#138636: Jan 5th 2022 at 12:33:41 PM

I'm not positive how to make it look good in live action but I also prefer the look of the suit in the comics/cartoons to the Palette Swap of the Raimi version.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#138637: Jan 5th 2022 at 12:37:01 PM

If there's one issue I have with the Raimi costume is that the lines are way too thick.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#138638: Jan 5th 2022 at 12:38:51 PM

Huh I'm surprised to see any positivity towards the Spider-Man 3 suit. I always found it visually unappealing, dull in colour and a rather displeasing texture.

When the symbiote is being an oil slick creature it looks really striking, so it always baffled me they decide to forgoe that for the suits themselves.

FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#138639: Jan 5th 2022 at 5:13:58 PM

Well, I can only speak for my subjective opinion, but... I think the Spider-Man 3 symbiote suit looked sick as hell. But I don't hate the other designs either, and it'd make sense for the MCU to do something different.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#138640: Jan 5th 2022 at 5:15:21 PM

Well logically speaking since it would be our first time with the black suit since Spider-Man 3 they should go with the classic slick slim look to contrast from 3's webbed appearance.

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#138641: Jan 6th 2022 at 12:30:48 AM

Peter has worn (non symbiote) black suits in both FFH & NWH so if he ends up with a symbiote suit it will be interesting to see how they make it visually distinct - maybe the creepy organic look is a good choice there.

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#138642: Jan 6th 2022 at 1:13:49 AM

I think it should only look like that when Peter is straining or angry. Otherwise, it should look like a smooth, faultless material.

If they ever do the black suit in the MCU, it might actually be interesting to pull a Gwenom. Have Peter make peace with the symbiote enough that they dont split.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#138643: Jan 6th 2022 at 1:19:15 AM

The recent Spider's Shadow comic has also given Peter his own unique Venom look so even when he does Hulk out they can give him a distinct appearance from the typical fang maw and long tongue.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/peter_parker_earth_trn848_and_venom_klyntar_earth_trn848_from_spider_man_spiders_shadow_vol_1_1_001_3.png

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 6th 2022 at 1:19:36 AM

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#138644: Jan 6th 2022 at 4:58:49 AM

Just a reminder that the black suit spiderman concept art posted here is not official. While the person who made has worked on the Spider-Man movies, Marvel didn't tell to make it.

Edited by DoubleOG on Jan 6th 2022 at 5:00:35 AM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#138645: Jan 6th 2022 at 10:03:50 AM

I said this before on the Fridge Brilliance section on Spider-Man: No Way Home, but I think it's really clever to have the memory of Peter wiped from everyone's minds in the MCU from a Doylist perspective. Since referencing Spidey in any manner is basically impossible without coming into issues with Sony, this is a great way for people to never have to acknowledge Peter in future works in-universe without Marvel getting in hot water for doing so out-of-universe.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Jan 6th 2022 at 10:04:24 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#138646: Jan 6th 2022 at 10:29:37 AM

It doesn't stop anyone from remember Spider-Man, just Peter.

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#138647: Jan 6th 2022 at 10:50:29 AM

Yeah. I think the intent is pretty clear on its own. It's a soft reboot, meant to transform Peter from a successful high school student with a loving aunt, a foot in the door with the Avengers, and a thriving social group into a young adult alone in the world, struggling to make rent while balancing trying to have a social life with the pressures of being a superhero.

It's pretty much MCU One More Day. There's a subset of Spider-fans who think that the only true Spider-Man is a swinging bachelor Peter ditching out on dates with no explanation because duty called, then coming home to find yet another eviction notice posted to his front door. Dem's the breaks when you're a lonely Misery Sink, not allowed to actually have anything in your life because your secret identity constantly interferes.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 6th 2022 at 10:51:31 AM

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#138648: Jan 6th 2022 at 11:29:24 AM

Damn spoiler blocks. I have got to watch NWH at some point. sad

Meistro2021 Since: Jul, 2021
#138649: Jan 6th 2022 at 2:46:31 PM

Hi, I just want to discuss and talk about the Multiverse of the MCU.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#138650: Jan 6th 2022 at 2:52:18 PM

yes well you'll something of substance to actually discuss

Edited by Ultimatum on Jan 6th 2022 at 10:52:32 AM

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