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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#138526: Dec 31st 2021 at 1:29:17 PM

As it should be.

That Netflix shows watch order chart on the previous page is really good! Bravo, giving people the freedom to watch what they want to largest degree.

My pleasure. Flowcharts are always extremely helpful in my experience, for visualizing logical flow.

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#138527: Dec 31st 2021 at 6:50:21 PM

It wasn't in the top ten when I checked though.

However, the game also remembers that she's the Deadliest Woman in the Galaxy

So she's closer to her 616 counterpart who was always the first to suggest killing the villain.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#138528: Dec 31st 2021 at 6:57:35 PM

Yeah comic Gamora is a pretty huge blood knight, generally being the first to always pick violence as the answer.

She is very much not the reasonable keeper that she is in the movies.

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#138529: Dec 31st 2021 at 7:32:41 PM

MCU Gamora is basically the Found Family's Marge Simpson. The reasonable Team Mom with a clear head on her shoulders whose primary job is to responsibly babysit the manchild Team Dad.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#138530: Dec 31st 2021 at 7:34:20 PM

Gamora in the game is kind of a mix. She's still one of the two "moral" members of the group who are generally the first to suggest going to help someone who needs aid (well, her and Groot), but she's also emphasized as an assassin and often the first member to suggest just killing whoever's responsible as the best way to do it - most notably in the scene Tobias mentions earlier.

She actually kind of reminds me of how Infinity War & Endgame handled Nebula, tbh.

She's kind of the equal opposite to Game! Drax on the moral leanings of the team. She's one of the two most aggressive members, but Drax just likes the fighting itself whereas Gamora advocates doing it for good reasons. Likewise, Rocket and Groot are the two least prone to wanting to fight, but Rocket because he's paranoid and cares more about staying safe than helping people, whereas Groot is basically the team "good guy" and wise man.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Dec 31st 2021 at 7:35:55 AM

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#138531: Dec 31st 2021 at 7:46:20 PM

Game Gamora also has a scene where she actually tries to kill Rocket after the latter completely botches a mission.

She basically holds him at sword-point and Quill has to talk her down from killing him right then and there.

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#138532: Dec 31st 2021 at 7:50:15 PM

So Gamora is Marge, Peter is Homer, and Groot is obviously Maggie. Which between Drax and Rocket are Bart and Lisa? Because both of them seem like Barts to me.

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#138533: Dec 31st 2021 at 7:55:03 PM

They're Bart and Lisa from the Tracy Ullman episodes

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#138534: Dec 31st 2021 at 7:58:11 PM

[up][up] She does? I haven't quite finished the game - is it at the end? Or maybe it's earlier on, but requires a different set of decisions.

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#138535: Dec 31st 2021 at 7:58:46 PM

So, wait. Does that make Nebula Patty and Selma?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#138536: Dec 31st 2021 at 8:00:56 PM

[up][up] Its the Lady Hellbender mission but if you pick Rocket as the beast to offer her.

He really fucks up the mission hard that Gamora holds a sword to his neck when they managed to hold themselves in her vault.

Did you pick the Groot section?

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 31st 2021 at 8:01:17 AM

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#138537: Dec 31st 2021 at 8:18:31 PM

Nebula is closer to Nelson Muntz and Thor is definitely Barney Gumble.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#138538: Dec 31st 2021 at 8:55:36 PM

[up][up] Yeah, picked Groot. Rocket spends the whole time on that route being a mother hen and basically begging Peter to let him go in Groot's stead, then being annoyed that they went with him anyway. Hellbender doesn't seem to have figured it out at first, but is revealed to have known all along at the end, so while Rocket gets annoyed it just comes off as a bad plan in the first place.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Dec 31st 2021 at 8:55:58 AM

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#138539: Dec 31st 2021 at 11:06:10 PM

If you pick Groot, the plan more or less goes off without a hitch.

If you pick Rocket, the plan goes south real fast and in a hurry, because Rocket is terrible at being a monster but highly talented at pissing people off. So the whole scheme turns into a smash-and-grab robbery.

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#138540: Jan 1st 2022 at 1:08:33 AM

Another observation from the game that's applicable to the MCU.

We know Cosmo exists in the MCU. Why the heck is he limited to cameos and not in the films otherwise?

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#138541: Jan 1st 2022 at 1:40:01 AM

Funny bit from the game, during a sequence looking over Nova Corps criminal files which featured easter cameo of various cosmic heroes, several members of the group pretty much made fun of all the human characters whether due to finding their names ridiculous (like Darkhawk) or just making fun of Earth being a backwater planet (even Quill gets in on it a bit).

Whats really funny is that when you dig into each of the characters mentioned, they are all individually stronger than probably the entire Guardians team. You got guys like Darkhawk who is empowered by a dangerous piece of cosmic hardware, Quasar empowered by a cosmic artifact, Moondragon's possessed by a cosmic Satan-esque demon, that grants them massive amounts of power, including unaided space travel.

Man for a backwater planet humans really do get the good stuff. tongue

[up] Man more Cosmo would be great, he is such a good boy.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 1st 2022 at 1:40:30 AM

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#138543: Jan 1st 2022 at 7:02:40 AM

I feel like Cosmo's being saved for whenever Howard the Duck gets a TV show.

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#138544: Jan 1st 2022 at 8:15:05 AM

Insufficient Cosmo is the greatest travesty in the entire MCU.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#138545: Jan 1st 2022 at 11:09:16 AM

Huh now that I think about it was it ever stated why Quill doesn't have his element gun here?

Like its his main weapon and is what makes him fun a combatant which he doesn't have here, instead having normal blasters.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#138546: Jan 1st 2022 at 11:20:16 AM

Marvel Comics has always loved doing that thing some science fiction stories do where Earth is somehow simultaneously the backwater of the galaxy that everyone derides because nobody important is from there, and the most significant place in the galaxy that everyone respects because all the important people are from there. It's simultaneously the armpit and the center of the galaxy.

I guess it just depends heavily on the writer, but it gets so confusing sometimes.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 1st 2022 at 11:21:36 AM

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#138547: Jan 1st 2022 at 11:25:55 AM

Well, it's hard to avoid falling into that trap:

  • Real Life Earth has had no known alien contact, thus we are some nobody planet that no-one has heard of or cares about.

  • All of the non-cosmic characters come from Earth, Earthlings tend to be the protagonists of cosmic stories so the audience has someone to relate to, and Earth tends to be a central location in cosmic stories because it's where the writers live, thus our planet is full of the strongest characters in the universe and Earth is where everything important happens.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jan 1st 2022 at 12:26:11 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#138548: Jan 1st 2022 at 11:34:06 AM

Its a bit weird to be doing that considering Richard Rider is not only Nova Prime but is also the biggest hero of the galaxy.

Granted its mostly Rocket making the humans suck jokes so its prolly just Rocket being Rocket.

Though they also do that weird thing where every supername is reacted with a tone of mocking from the characters. When they encounter Darkhawk's file they laugh at his name because its a bird and Quill has to justify that his name is actually cool (despite naming himself after an 80's rock band) and when they hear of the Avengers they go "Who would name themselves that?" despite being the Guardians of the Galaxy.

And when the team meets Adam Warlock they spend the entire game mispronouncing his name and treating it with absolute derision because of how ridiculous it sounds.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 1st 2022 at 11:40:22 AM

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#138549: Jan 1st 2022 at 12:05:56 PM

The Darkhawk thing is especially weird because the powers and name originate from a Shi’ar cult

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#138550: Jan 1st 2022 at 2:58:38 PM

The best explanation is that the rest of the galaxy views Earth as a Wretched Hive: full of dangerous individuals who can cause loads of havoc, but also a disorganized, low-class place, with no real power as a polity.


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