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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#138501: Dec 30th 2021 at 7:58:28 PM

Not strictly MCU, but I've been playing the Guardians of the Galaxy game, I really love what they did was Drax there. They retain the "always interprets things literally" trait that the MCU invented, but instead of using it to increasingly portray him as a dunderhead like the MCU does, Drax in the game is highly intelligent and his lines instead come off as pedantic and know-it-all-ish rather than kooky misunderstandings. Especially in scenes where he gets a lot of time to express himself, it makes him a fun take on the "cultured barbarian" type - which imo makes him much more entertaining than the Cloudcuckoo Lander take the movies started pushing after the first film.

I keep comparing Drax in the GOTG game to, like, an exasperated English teacher annoyed that the kids have turned another perfectly good word into slang, except the "perfectly good word" is the entirety of language, and the "slang" is metaphor.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Dec 31st 2021 at 12:13:16 PM

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#138502: Dec 30th 2021 at 10:38:53 PM

The Guardians game is, in my honest opinion, a fantastic lens into where James Gunn and his writers went wrong with these characters. Its renditions of Peter Quill, Gamora, Drax, and Mantis are all vastly superior to their film counterparts to a frankly mind-boggling extent.

Rocket and Groot are about the same. But they're hard characters to screw up.

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#138503: Dec 30th 2021 at 10:44:37 PM

[up],[up][up] With reviews like that, maybe I should look up the game on Amazon. It’s for the PS 4, right?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#138504: Dec 30th 2021 at 10:53:33 PM

[up][up] I would argue that Rocket is the most like his movie-self in the worst way since his character arc in the game is pretty identical so he basically acts like a self-righteous asshat during the entire game.

He was quite insufferable honestly especially his absolute refusal to accept any fault or blame all while giving Quill no end of grief for everything he does.

[up][up][up] One of my favorite moments in the game is an optional encounter where Drax and Quill discuss the afterlife where Drax reveals that what weighs on him is that due to how they died his family are in his species Hell. While Quill try's to make him feel better through his people's belief in Heaven, Drax notes in a bittersweet tone that while he's glad his mom's in Heaven but it doesn't change his family are in Hell.

The end credits even shows that Quill and Drax make this a regular thing between the 2, getting together for drinks and talking about their family to honor them.

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 30th 2021 at 10:54:39 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#138505: Dec 31st 2021 at 12:22:52 AM

Quill, most of all, definitely feels like what the films might have been trying with Quill originally but eventually faltered at because they preferred to tell manchild jokes (As much as I like the Guardians films a bit more than the Ant-Man ones, MCU Peter ain't got nothing on MCU Scott, Marvel Studios' only real success with that character type unless you count Tony). Game Quill is an often childish guy with an often lackadaisical mindset, but behind that lies a person with a strong sense of responsibility, honor and loyalty who is trying to be his team's Captain America (so to speak), even though he's not quite there much of the time. The game establishes early on that unlucky, ex-dashing rogue Peter is a war hero, and though he gets into trouble the story never make it questionable how he could be as such.

And in general, the game does a fantastic job mixing the cosmic exploratory feel of Marvel's cosmic side with the "team of space opera rogues" spin the MCU did. Like, what Guardians 2 just started delving into? The game is like that all the time, has is as an essential part of the backstory, and feels a lot more like you're jumping into this huge, strange and multifaceted universe.

[up] I dunno. Game Rocket feels fairly distinct from movie Rocket so far. He kind of looks like him on a surface level: he's an ex-con who has the role of "team selfish guy" and breaks from the team on occasion for that reason, but his reasons for his actions are far better defined than movie Rocket, and even his selfishness isn't due to being greedy, but because he values the safety and security of the team over the others' idealism.

I also like the touch that in the game universe, Peter, Rocket and Groot had been rolling with each other for a while before they met Gamora and Drax, so the three of them are old friends. It makes their dynamic feel very different.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Dec 31st 2021 at 12:25:48 PM

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#138506: Dec 31st 2021 at 12:56:39 AM

[up]×2

So i guess Moondragon doesn't exist in the game's universe. Though i guess the same can be said about the MCU.

[up]

It sounds like the game version of Quill is a mix of MCU Quill and the more serious Quill from the comics.

Edited by Cortez on Dec 31st 2021 at 6:48:19 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#138507: Dec 31st 2021 at 1:02:15 AM

Do you mean Moondragon? She does exist in the setting but apparently as a human from Earth not Drax’s daughter.

From the prison files and general lore of the of the game we have the confirmed existence Richard Rider/Nova, Wendell Vaughn/Quasar, Darkhawk, Bug, and Jack Flag.

[up] Yeah game Quill is a good mix of the MCU’s puckish rogue but the leader veteran of the comics as while he is goofy and comedic he also is genuinely serious about being the teams leaders and tries his best to support and guide them even if he’s inexperienced in leading. His story ends with getting the Guardians to respect him as the guy in charge.

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 31st 2021 at 1:04:14 AM

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#138508: Dec 31st 2021 at 6:45:46 AM

That Netflix shows watch order chart on the previous page is really good! Bravo, giving people the freedom to watch what they want to largest degree.

I'm curious how AOS would have turned out if the show was allowed to tie into the MCU after age of Ultron, because a lot of wacky stuff happens on earth in present day Phase 3. The fall out of the avengers spilt especially but also the founding of New Asgard and the five year time skip.

Though the format of weekly episode releases probably made real time tie in to films tricky considering you don't want to spoil content for people.

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#138509: Dec 31st 2021 at 6:57:08 AM

One moment sums up Game Quill pretty well. His first meeting with Nikki gets off on the wrong foot since he's a prisoner and she's a Nova Corp cadet escorting him. He starts off snarking and generally acting like a bit of an ass...but then things happen and she's in serious danger. Peter immediately goes to help the kid even though he barely knows her and he's not in the best position to offer help (since he's still handcuffed due to being a prisoner).

Peter still snarks during this bit too, but it's at least partly an attempt to keep Nikki calm in the dangerous situation.

Edited by M84 on Dec 31st 2021 at 10:58:45 PM

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#138510: Dec 31st 2021 at 7:27:12 AM

In addition to what others have said, I'm also partial to how the game treats Gamora. The movies use her as the moral compass and heart of the team, as well as love interest. She's the most "good guy" of the bunch, and much of her role tends to be relegated to putting Quill on the right path.

The game retains the part where she's the most "good" of the group through the lens of her empathizing with the villains' victims and relating it to her own experiences under Thanos. However, the game also remembers that she's the Deadliest Woman in the Galaxy. She's a legendary assassin hated and feared throughout the galaxy, who puts those skills to work as arguably the single most formidable member of the crew.

There's a moment midway through the game where Gamora splits off from the group and races off after the villain, telling Peter not to follow her. It's clear from the situation that she's gone into Professional Mode and intends to take out this asshole while there's a chance to do so.

If you ignore her request and try to help her, Peter's presence botches the mission and you barely get out alive. If you trust that she knows what she's doing, she joins up with you later with the villain's severed arm in tow; It was the most she could get, but it weakens him for the final encounter.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#138511: Dec 31st 2021 at 7:29:42 AM

Game Gamora also shows this with how she treats Nebula. She still loves Nebula as a sister just like MCU Gamora but unlike MCU Gamora she killed Nebula because her Nebula was too far gone to be saved. And she's clearly torn up about it and it's a big part of why she's so driven to stop the villain. She is desperate to save Nikki from being corrupted by a monster the way she and Nebula were.

She's also not Peter's love interest in the game. Peter doesn't even really have a love interest in the game.

Edited by M84 on Dec 31st 2021 at 11:33:01 PM

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#138512: Dec 31st 2021 at 7:45:52 AM

I'm kind of curious what people here thought of Guardians of the Galaxy: The Telltale Series. Given how it's a Telltale game, you can make it so Quill is actually a very level-headed leader should you choose the right options. A lot of the characterizations are pretty close to the first movie, but not to the point where they come across as caricatures, at least from what I remembered.

Also, Thanos totally dies like a punk in the first chapter. [lol]

Edited by chasemaddigan on Dec 31st 2021 at 10:46:14 AM

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#138513: Dec 31st 2021 at 7:53:28 AM

That early death is the only thing I remember about that game. I should really check out a playthrough of this game.

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#138514: Dec 31st 2021 at 8:01:30 AM

[up]BUY IT, YOU ODIOUS FREELOADER!

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#138515: Dec 31st 2021 at 8:02:27 AM

But I don't have a gaming PC, so it'd run like ass. So, no, I don't think I will.

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#138516: Dec 31st 2021 at 8:08:21 AM

[up]But it's also for the PS 4 and PS 5! And if you don't have those now, can you be considered "living"?

Edited by fredhot16 on Dec 31st 2021 at 8:09:21 AM

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#138519: Dec 31st 2021 at 9:09:29 AM

[up]And the PS 4! If you don't have a PS 4 by now, your murder would be legally be considered euthanasia! Which I think is also illegal? No, wait, that's assisted suicide.

Where the hell is this joke going?

Edited by fredhot16 on Dec 31st 2021 at 9:10:03 AM

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#138520: Dec 31st 2021 at 9:11:47 AM

that's a joke?

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fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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#138521: Dec 31st 2021 at 9:13:52 AM

From "if you don't have PS 4 or PS 5, are you actually living" onwards, yes.

Happy New Years, Ulti!

Edited by fredhot16 on Dec 31st 2021 at 9:14:25 AM

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#138522: Dec 31st 2021 at 9:24:40 AM

Once you start cracking jokes about murdering your fellow forum posters, I think the only place it needs to "go" is to the mods.

Seriously, chill out.

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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#138523: Dec 31st 2021 at 9:41:09 AM

...I am super chill! It's half-past 11 in the morning, I'm about to take a shower to get ready for Friday prayer, I am pretty relaxed, all things considered. Maybe I need a little nap but that's it.

I wasn't even joking about me killing them, just expanding on the materialistic joke about not having a game console means you aren't truly alive.

This did feel like it got a bit carried away.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#138524: Dec 31st 2021 at 9:58:09 AM

I think the Telltale game is like a lotta Telltale games, just kinda mediocre.

At least I never hear about it much compared to other games. Like I see praise towards the Batman game like it’s unique portrayal of Joker but Guardians has fallen through the cracks.

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alanh Since: May, 2010
#138525: Dec 31st 2021 at 12:41:04 PM

Daredevil (2015) is back on Netflix's top 10.

One reason that I doubted Marvel would use the Netflix characters directly was because it would be promoting their ex-partner. "Want to see more of Matt Murdoch? Go subscribe to Netflix."

But here we are.


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