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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#138451: Dec 29th 2021 at 11:13:12 AM

I agree that denying the hero closure is super annoying and to be honest,that works better in a horror movie where horror is never truly beaten to invoke a sense of hopelessness

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#138452: Dec 29th 2021 at 11:22:26 AM

Th Guarian Devil storyline actually kicks off with Mysterio poisoning Murdock's senses without him realizing, so that is the main reason his schem goes as far as it did. When the effects of said toxin start to wear off Murdock starts to work out what's going on.

That's actually pretty impressive considering Matt's senses should have caught some kind of poison. I can only imagine what Beck used that got past Matt's abilities.

As for whether closure on defeating a villain works or not, I think it's a situational thing. There are some times where not being sure if they won or not can work in their favour.

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VengefulBale Bishie Gijinka Meta Knight from Nowhere Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: It's complicated
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#138453: Dec 29th 2021 at 11:22:45 AM

[up][up][up] I mean it makes sense here, Mysterio as a character doesn't exist he's a collective web of bullshit made up by sociopathic engineers who can regroup and hide if shit goes sideways with the guy on the front.

IMO, the trope can be bad when overdone but its preferrable to always killing villains for real or having jail seem stupidly ineffective

Edited by VengefulBale on Dec 29th 2021 at 1:22:51 PM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#138454: Dec 29th 2021 at 11:24:55 AM

It fits the character depending on what kind of character he is.

Mysterio is like a phantom, there's a paranoia that he's always out there ready to cause you more suffering and even if he's not you just aren't sure which is nerve wracking.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#138455: Dec 29th 2021 at 11:24:58 AM

I'm more observing how Zod and Mysterio are characters with entirely different premises. I usually agree that the constant back-and-forth about villains dying is silly, but Mysterio is runs on Mind Screw, moreso than many other villains. His finest hours as a character are when his illusions reach the point where even the audience is confused about what's real or not. Giving him a clear-cut ending is the most boring an trite thing you can do to him in my opinion, that makes him just like any other character. Far From Home even winked at that with Mysterio's death being deliberately nebulous.

Ultimatum points out this sort of thing is beetter for "horror" and that's the sort of character Mysterio can be, in his finest hours: a charactr of psychological horror. Paranoia is the name of the game.

That's actually pretty impressive considering Matt's senses should have caught some kind of poison. I can only imagine what Beck used that got past Matt's abilities.

Beck's a insanely gifted chemist when it comes to hallucinogenics. He just concocted something specifically for Murdock after a long time studiying his specific biology. Guardian Devil is Mysterio going ham on Crazy-Prepared.

Edited by Gaon on Dec 29th 2021 at 11:34:49 AM

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#138456: Dec 29th 2021 at 2:39:02 PM

The funniest thing about Guardian Devil is that the only reason he’s bothering Daredevil instead of Spider-Man is because he got annoyed with the Clone Saga’s back and forth on who the real Spider-Man is and didn’t want to blow his Best Mindfreak Ever on a fake

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#138457: Dec 29th 2021 at 2:42:27 PM

Which DD run is this?

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#138458: Dec 29th 2021 at 2:49:19 PM

Mysterio is like a phantom, there's a paranoia that he's always out there ready to cause you more suffering and even if he's not you just aren't sure which is nerve wracking.

The funniest thing about Guardian Devil is that the only reason he’s bothering Daredevil instead of Spider-Man is because he got annoyed with the Clone Saga’s back and forth on who the real Spider-Man is and didn’t want to blow his Best Mindfreak Ever on a fake

These comments become even more hilarious when we factor in how the end of Guardian Devil shows us that Mysterio's ego is evidently so fragile, that once Matt verbally dissects him, Mysterio just plain shoots himself.

Mysterio's both horrifying AF and pathetic AF. [lol]

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Dec 29th 2021 at 5:59:45 AM

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#138459: Dec 29th 2021 at 2:51:54 PM

[up][up]Kevin Smith wrote it. Not sure if part of a run or just a one off story line.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#138460: Dec 29th 2021 at 3:02:33 PM

Huh.

Now I'm wondering if Matt ever fought Kraven the Hunter.

Like, Sergei used to juice himself up with Herbs to go toe to toe with Spidey, but Matt's senses and figuring out how to get around that would make him the ultimate prey. I'm surprised Kraven never tried.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#138461: Dec 29th 2021 at 4:02:19 PM

Kraven is too craven in all likelyhood

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#138462: Dec 29th 2021 at 7:05:33 PM

Daredevil doesn't have any Animal Motifs. Why would Kraven hunt him?

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jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#138464: Dec 29th 2021 at 8:23:11 PM

Or a bat. Here's a Dorkly video on the subject:

[down]I know, but I thought the joke as funny anyway.

Edited by jjjj2 on Dec 29th 2021 at 11:34:30 AM

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#138466: Dec 29th 2021 at 9:02:22 PM

Or you could go with his counterpart from the Spider-Ham universe: Deerdevil.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Dec 29th 2021 at 12:03:01 PM

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#138467: Dec 29th 2021 at 9:19:51 PM

Powers: Seemingly those of Matthew Murdock of Earth-616 (plus whatever advantage the antlers provide).

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Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Dec 29th 2021 at 10:20:18 AM

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#138469: Dec 30th 2021 at 4:28:06 AM

With this year soon coming to an end I wanted to ask this question to you all.

Who is your favorite character introduced to the MCU this year?

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#138470: Dec 30th 2021 at 5:29:05 AM

This is the year of well-written women in my mind, so it is sort of a tie between Yelena, Echo, Kate, Makkari, and Agatha.

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#138471: Dec 30th 2021 at 5:47:55 AM

Yeah, it's hard to choose between Yelena Belova and Kate Bishop.

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#138472: Dec 30th 2021 at 6:47:51 AM

Florence Pugh as Yelena elevates every scene she's in. Hailee Steinfeld as Kate elevates every scene she's in. The two sharing a scene together elevate each other in kind.

It's literally magic, and I need more.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#138473: Dec 30th 2021 at 6:49:20 AM

I have to say Wenwu is a pretty cool guy and his ring abilities aren't that bad either, they are very impressive.

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 30th 2021 at 6:59:17 AM

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#138474: Dec 30th 2021 at 6:56:32 AM

Oh, that's right, Shang-Chi was another one that came out this year. Which means Katy is another contender. Fucking steals every scene she's in.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#138475: Dec 30th 2021 at 7:00:27 AM

Makkari from Eternals was also pretty cool.

She should have had a bigger role.

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 30th 2021 at 7:00:36 AM

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