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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Funnily enough, Marvel's official stance is that we did all die in Secret Wars.
As opposed to DC, who as soon as Crisis on Infinite Earths happened stopped pretending that Earth-Prime was ever actually our real world.
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Yeah, the omniverse is the ultimate top-level set that contains literally every other set of multiverses. But by simple logic, we know that any story that claims to operate at that level is false. If I write a story where Evil Batman destroys the omniverse thanks to millenia of prep-time, I'm wrong and he actually only destroyed a multiverse set one level below it at the most. Because we're still here, other universes are still here. That's why it has to be literally impossible to cross multiverses at this level, no matter what powers or magic or cosmic keystones or super science you have. If it wasn't, then not every possible universe could exist at once. For every universe like ours, you could imagine countless other universes invading it. So there couldn't be one that hasn't been unless there are some unbreakable barriers.
Again, I've spent way too long thinking about something that might not even exist.
Incoming Multiverse rambling. Apologies if this is a bit much.
Y'know, there's something really Fridge Horror about how the Multiverse just comes into existence and how it affects the past. Like...imagine being in one of those alternate universes seen in What If, and how mind-melting it would be to discover your life is spiraling in a direction it wasn't supposed to go in because some lady from an alternate future killed a guy. Would you be grateful if your life was better, or depressed that your life is significantly worse? Or would it be the other way around?
One of the things that also intrigues me about the Multiverse is that from the Sacred Timeline's standpoint, the Multiverse's existence almost feels like some kind of Schrödinger's Cat. If you were to follow the MCU's Sacred Timeline with the knowledge of what Multiverse actually is, it feels like it simultaneously exists and doesn't exist. Because the Sacred Timeline doesn't seem to become affected by any of the branching timelines seen earlier in its history until during/after Endgame, from the characters' perspective, you can't really tell that the Multiverse's formation is happening at all. Unless you're one of those branching timelines, and you're now on a different path. And even then, you wouldn't know it unless you have some crazy omnipotence.
I guess one question I have is: is Doctor Strange and/or the TVA going to have to destroy the Multiverse and create another Sacred Timeline to prevent reality from breaking down? And if so, how are the countless variants of many universes going to feel about their lives and the world(s) they live in having to go up in smoke?
"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if the different animated versions appeared as cameos in animated films, even the ones that were supposedly killed in the spider-verse (comic).
As far as I'm concerned, the versions that came out in the comic crossover are only variants of similar universes, and those that appear in movies are the "originals."
Erm, to the people being weirded out with America being a name, well, the continent was named after a man.
Same with Europe/Europa AFAIK, both the Eurasian peninsula and the Jovian moon get their name from the queen of Crete who happened to be quite fond of bulls.
x2 That seems to be my default response to universe-time-space-continuum shenanigans.
I think the Infinite Hotel Paradox
is a good thing for people to get familiar with when it comes to all this multiversal talk. Primarily because of the main concept that not all infinities are equal.
Rick and Morty's Central Finite Curve is actually a good example of this in action. The Council of Ricks take the entire multiverse and cordon off a sliver that contains all the universes where a Rick is the top dog. And the Curve's multiverse is clearly countably infinite, but at the same time logically cannot be greater than the greater multiverse as a whole.
The Marvel and DC multiverses can be thought of similarly, where you have this big "Marvel Omniverse" and "DC Omniverse" that contain everything they've every done, but then those contain their own multiverses and everything can intersect with each other every which way. The Arrowverse canonically consists of basically every live-action DC adaptation...and not really much beyond that, despite there clearly being more. The comics line being canon is something only a comic tie-in really suggests, and even then the more important discrepency is the Arrowverse flat-out ignoring the whole 52-universes gimmick of the comics to begin with.
Surely an MCU multiverse that consists at this point of every live-action Marvel thing (and a few animated things), one that was initially confined by the TVA before being sprawled out totally and retroactively, is fair game.
Plus, if the multiverse encompasses all possible universes, then whenever you travel to a different universe, that universe will branch in two: one branch where you arrived there from your own universe, and one where you didn't.
Heck, even if someone creates a multiverse destroying energy wave or whatever, while they might destroy an infinite number of universes, in the process of doing so they might also create an infinite number of universes where the multiverse destroying energy wave failed.
Edited by RavenWilder on Dec 24th 2021 at 12:33:43 PM
Quick question, are we a hundred percent certain that the alternate Doctor Strange seen in Multiverse of Madness's trailer is Strange Supreme? I was initially certain it was him, but considering how muted his live-action appearance is compared to his animated one, now I'm not so sure.
I get that animation tends to exaggerate the colors of certain things at times, but honestly I can barely tell if his skin complexion is paler than Sacred Timeline Strange or not.
"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."I'm fairly certain it's not Strange Supreme, tbh. It doesn't really look like him. Strange Supreme has a fairly distinctive appearance and color scheme that that brief blip in the trailer lacks.
My guess is it's the same thing as Evil Rey in the TROS trailer. An evil illusion, a prophetic hallucination, etc and so on.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Dec 24th 2021 at 3:39:12 AM
If Strange Supreme does show up in this movie, I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up pulling a Face–Heel Turn.
After all, if he were to find out that not only is Christine Palmer's death not a Nexus Event/Absolute Point in time, but that she's actually alive in the Sacred Timeline, I can see him potentially going mad from the revelation, and deciding to turn to villainy again out of spite.
Either that, or maybe he's just there to provide a cautionary warning for his Sacred Timeline self.
"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."Mr. Normal
He has a doctorate but he doesn't really stress about titles
Forever liveblogging the AvengersIt's amazing the things one notices
◊ when they have too much free time on their hands. This has to be intentional or very coincidental, having Wanda emulating Natasha's hairstyles.
Edited by dmcreif on Dec 24th 2021 at 12:12:41 PM
Okey Dokey!

Regarding multiverse contradictions, I like to think of it as a "multiverse of multiverses". So just as there are infinite universes, there are infinite multiverses combining all those universes in every possible way. And the boundaries between all those universes and multiverses vary in strength, but there have to be some that are entirely unbreakable, which is why the "destruction of the multiverse" in one story doesn't effect every other story, or our own reality.
Am I taking this too seriously? Probably.